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		<title>My battle as a Professor against corruption at an &#8220;Institution of National Importance&#8221; in India helps to yield a result</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook 19 January 2012 Subroto Roy finds his eight year battle in the High Court as a professor against financial and other crookedness at an &#8220;Institution of National Importance&#8221; and its Government Ministry has helped to yield a result&#8230; [Transparent accounting system must from 2013&#60;/ All government higher educational institutions will have to mandatorily [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=6129&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">From Facebook 19 January 2012</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy finds his eight year battle in the High Court as a professor against financial and other crookedness at an &#8220;Institution of National Importance&#8221; and its Government Ministry has helped to yield a result&#8230;</strong></em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/article2812602.ece">[Transparent accounting system must from 2013&lt;/</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">All government higher educational institutions will have to mandatorily follow a standardised accounting system from the 2013 academic session to bring in more transparency, accountability and good governance.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">All central institutions, universities under the University Grants Commission, institutions recognised by the All-India Council for Technical Education and the National Council for Teacher Education and schools affiliated to the Central Board of Secondary Education will have to follow the new accounting system, Human Resource Development Minister Kapil Sibal said here on Wednesday.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Negotiations with private institutions</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The government would hold negotiations with private institutions before making the system mandatory for them also.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“We would like all schools in the country to follow the new accounting system for which we will take the matter to the Central Advisory Board of Education to arrive at consensus.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">It has been recommended by the Institute of Chartered Accountants of India, which was asked by the Ministry last year to suggest a transparent accounting system.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Helpful format</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The new format will be helpful in presenting general purpose financial statements to ensure accountability, financial discipline and end-use of funds and to meet stakeholders' needs. It will define transparently the revenue earned through various sources — tuition fee and other charges, income from consultancy or from intellectual property owned by the institution. It will also identify costs and revenue separately for undergraduate and postgraduate programmes and for research and teaching activities.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">It will help to define relevant financial ratios derived from accounts for comparison on research to total expenditure, income from fees to total income, and salary expenditure to total expenditure."]</p>
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		<title>Life of my father, 1915-2012</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first Governor of Bengal after the 1912 reunification of Bengal and East Bengal was the Scottish Liberal politician Thomas-Gibson Carmichael, the first (and apparently last) Baron Carmichael. This is a photograph of a 1916 visit he paid to Surendranath Roy’s home at Behala, Surendranath then being the Deputy President of the Bengal Legislative Council [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=6077&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/life-and-times-of-an-indian-diplomat1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6150" title="Life and Times of an Indian diplomat" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/life-and-times-of-an-indian-diplomat1.jpg?w=780&#038;h=739" alt="" width="780" height="739" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/scan0005.jpg"><img class="aligncenter  wp-image-6139" title="scan0005" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/scan0005.jpg?w=780&#038;h=1125" alt="" width="780" height="1125" /></a></p>
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<p>The first Governor of Bengal after the 1912 reunification of Bengal and East Bengal was the Scottish Liberal politician Thomas-Gibson Carmichael, the first (and apparently last) Baron Carmichael. This is a photograph of a 1916 visit he paid to Surendranath Roy’s home at Behala, Surendranath then being the Deputy President of the Bengal Legislative Council and probably the most influential officially recognised political statesman in Bengal at the time.</p>
<p>Surendranath’s younger son, Manindranath, is the bespecaled and moustachioed young man in the middle holding the child. If the child is a two or three year old, it would be my father’s elder brother; if the date of the photograph is late in 1916 and the child is a one year old, it would be my father.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/393892_10150486658577285_632437284_8733632_1397294521_n.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6082" title="393892_10150486658577285_632437284_8733632_1397294521_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/393892_10150486658577285_632437284_8733632_1397294521_n.jpg?w=780" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p>My father seated perhaps c. 1919, with his elder brother..</p>
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<p>My grandfather, Manindranath Roy (1891-1958) was a quiet enigmatic literary figure and artistic benefactor in Calcutta; he wrote very well and had excellent taste and manners (though was of foolish judgement in money and friends). This photograph is from about 1922 at Allahabad where he used to take his family on annual holiday. The little boy to the left behind his mother would grow up to become my father.</p>
<p>Manindranath is dressed in fine post-Edwardian fashion; at the time, his father, Surendranath Rai, was at the peak of his political career as first Deputy President and then President of the new Bengal Legislative Council. Surendranath was an orthodox Brahmin and chose never to wear Western-style suits and neck-ties, and he was thoroughly averse to the idea of dining with Europeans. Manindranath was the first to wear Western clothes, as well as to dine in Calcutta’s Western restaurants. There was tension between father and son due to such matters.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/378623_10150486665827285_632437284_8733678_205526824_n1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6088" title="378623_10150486665827285_632437284_8733678_205526824_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/378623_10150486665827285_632437284_8733678_205526824_n1.jpg?w=780" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p>His mother Nirmala, 1900-1976, was a famed beauty of Uttarpara. She was married at age 9 to her husband who was 18, but the story went her mother-in-law slept between the couple for four years as he was constantly teasing her and pulling her hair. Finally the mother-in-law must have departed and she gave birth to her first son at age 13 and to my father at age 15.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/389828_10150486672617285_632437284_8733737_1904060154_n.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6092" title="389828_10150486672617285_632437284_8733737_1904060154_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/389828_10150486672617285_632437284_8733737_1904060154_n.jpg?w=780" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p>Manindranath might have bullied his wife into posing for the risque photo below; his orthodox father would have almost certainly disapproved and forbidden it had he known.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/404341_10150486680592285_632437284_8733797_860788217_n1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6094" title="404341_10150486680592285_632437284_8733797_860788217_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/404341_10150486680592285_632437284_8733797_860788217_n1.jpg?w=780" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p>Manindranath again in a photo with his wife that his father would almost certainly have disallowed. In the days before radio, Bengali society had literature and the arts to keep itself company (besides politics). Writing and reading poetry was a common hobby. Three principal literary journals were Bharatvarsha, Probasi and Bichitra. The long-standing editor of Bharatvarsha was Jaladhar Sen, and it was he who had introduced Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyaya to Manindranath when Sarat had returned (in impecunious circumstances) to Bengal from Burma, probably with a request that Sarat be supported and sponsored. We made a literary find a few years ago: a notebook of Manindranath’s that he had titled Mandakini. It contains some 51 poems and poetic songs composed between 1914 and 1936, from when he was aged about 23 to when he was 45. He has been dead fifty years now and no one knew of the existence of these poems until today. Nor had he told anyone of the work (perhaps because some of the poems are especially candid; his affairs of the heart outside his marriage were said to be notorious). Between about 1933 and 1943 Manindranath found himself facing trials and tribulations of such gravity and magnitude (caused in part by his own foolish squandering of his inheritance from his father) that he may have wished to forget, ignore or even regret his creative period. Many of the poems are recorded as having been published in literary journals of the time, like Bharatbarsha and Bichitra, and some are recorded as having been sung or performed on the new radio service of the time, especially around 1931&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/397799_10150486698597285_632437284_8733849_564543913_n.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6099" title="397799_10150486698597285_632437284_8733849_564543913_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/397799_10150486698597285_632437284_8733849_564543913_n.jpg?w=780" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p>My father with his elder brother and younger sisters, with their grandfather Surendranath c. 1927, on the front-terrace of the house Surendranath had built c. 1926.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/395801_10150486704522285_632437284_8733886_1953268169_n2.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6102" title="395801_10150486704522285_632437284_8733886_1953268169_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/395801_10150486704522285_632437284_8733886_1953268169_n2.jpg?w=780" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p>I was surprised when he told me a few years ago he and his brother and cousins all wore dhotis right through college days. The sofa-chair is part of a set we use every day today.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/396468_10150486710932285_632437284_8733900_926977953_n.jpg"><img class="aligncenter  wp-image-6104" title="396468_10150486710932285_632437284_8733900_926977953_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/396468_10150486710932285_632437284_8733900_926977953_n.jpg?w=752&#038;h=479" alt="" width="752" height="479" /></a></p>
<p>This is a 1928 photo of the male members of the Roy Family of Behala, south of Calcutta, along with the children. Adult women would have been behind an effective “purdah”. The bearded patriarch in the middle is my great grandfather, the Hon’ble Surendra Nath Roy (1860-1929) the eldest son of Rai Bahadur Umbik Churn Rai (1827-1902). *The Golden Book of India* published at the time of the Victoria Jubilee said Umbik was the twelfth descendant of one Raja Gajendra Narayan Rai, Rai-Raian, a finance official under the Great Mughal Jahangir. Surendra Nath’s second son, my grandfather, Manindranath, is seated second from the right in the second row with spectacles and moustache.<br />
The bright lad fourth from the left in the last row would grow up to be my father.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/378399_10150486718897285_632437284_8733923_252757945_n.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6106" title="378399_10150486718897285_632437284_8733923_252757945_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/378399_10150486718897285_632437284_8733923_252757945_n.jpg?w=780" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p>College days and then his first jobs, first with the Indian Oxygen and Acetylene Company (he knew nothing at all about chemistry), and then with the Tata Steel Company.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/379039_10150486722772285_632437284_8733928_336397899_n.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6108" title="379039_10150486722772285_632437284_8733928_336397899_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/379039_10150486722772285_632437284_8733928_336397899_n.jpg?w=780" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p>There seem to be large oxygen cylinders in the background of the picture at the top. He once told me that one came crashing down from a higher floor once and missed him by inches. That would have been the end of him, and our stories would not have begun at all. The lower photograph may have been with Indian Oxygen or the Tatas, I cannot tell for sure&#8230;He is standing dressed in a dapper cream double-breasted suit with a flower in his lapel-button it would seem; it suggests from his suit that the photo was dated 1936 at the Tatas, as that is written at the back of a previous photo in the same suit.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/374763_10150486730557285_632437284_8733941_136936477_n1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6111" title="374763_10150486730557285_632437284_8733941_136936477_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/374763_10150486730557285_632437284_8733941_136936477_n1.jpg?w=780" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p>Posing with a friend c. 1937 perhaps outside the new Central Legislative building in New Delhi, which would later become India&#8217;s Parliament.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/399850_10150486735242285_632437284_8733973_1696270008_n1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6114" title="399850_10150486735242285_632437284_8733973_1696270008_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/399850_10150486735242285_632437284_8733973_1696270008_n1.jpg?w=780" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p>He left Indian Oxygen after a year to join the Tatas in Jamshedpur for half a dozen or so years. My mother&#8217;s father and brothers were all factory-men with the Tatas. Their family was completely different from his, being large and immensely happy with much song and studies and food and music. Her father worked with him and took a deep liking to the handsome aristocratic young man from the city, and invited him home often where he found a warmth and family-love he had not known before.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/395444_10150486749742285_632437284_8734074_819552973_n.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6118" title="395444_10150486749742285_632437284_8734074_819552973_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/395444_10150486749742285_632437284_8734074_819552973_n.jpg?w=780" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p>My parents married on 11 May 1942 during the war, with the Japanese bombing Calcutta. Soon thereafter my father joined the Government of India for the first time in the war-time Ministry of Supply.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/397951_10150486756417285_632437284_8734099_1842311128_n.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-6120" title="397951_10150486756417285_632437284_8734099_1842311128_n" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/397951_10150486756417285_632437284_8734099_1842311128_n.jpg?w=780" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p>The 1940 Lahore Resolution of the Muslim League did not mention the word “Pakistan” but is considered its political blueprint. MA Jinnah’s political support lay among the Muslim elite in Muslim-minority areas of India — he needed a show of support from the Muslim-majority provinces of Punjab and Bengal too, and indeed Sikandar Hyat Khan and AK Fuzlul Huq came to draft and present the Lahore Resolution.</p>
<p>Fuzlul Huq was Prime Minister of undivided Bengal from 1937-1943. On 11 May 1942, he led the bridegroom’s procession when my father went to wed my mother. Here is Fuzlul Huq entering the car to do so, with my grandfather Manindranath Roy helping him into the car. My mother’s family were surprised; they were Bengali Brahmins from Jamshedpur and did not quite know what to make of all this. My mother, aged 16 at the time, remembers she was non-plussed to find Fuzlul Huq ‘s bulky frame seated for some reason between her and her new husband in the car on the return journey too!</p>
<p>Fuzlul Huq, having been a young colleague of Surendranath Roy in the Bengal Legislative Council, was a family friend and treated my grandfather, Manindranath Roy, with affection. (Manindranath was a Justice of the Peace, but unlike his father was not political.)</p>
<p>Fuzlul Huq would apparently make requests of my grandmother for delivered meals during political confabulations; my grandfather’s family had been forced to leave Behala as the family home had been requisitioned by the military to be a hospital during the war, and they lived instead in Ballygunge. My father recalls cycling from there with the requested food to the political confabulations in the middle of the wartime blackout (Japanese aeroplanes had apparently reached Calcutta on their bombing missions).</p>
<p>Here too is a note dated 9 August 1945 from Fuzlul Huq to my grandfather thanking him for food and sending his “best blessings” to my grandmother — a Muslim, one of the founders of Pakistan, sends his blessings to an orthodox Hindu Brahmin family and everyone remains completely cheerful and apolitical: such was normal Indian secularism in practice at the time. Partition between India and Pakistan and the ghastliness that accompanied it, and the hatred and bloodshed that has followed, were all quite beyond anyone’s imagination at the time.</p>
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<p>My parents and their eldest child Suchandra (Buju), about 1945-1946 on their way to Karachi where he headed a Ministry of Supply office. The single biggest thing my father did in his life happened here: returning from Karachi in late August 1947 as one of the last Govt of India officers there, he reported back to Shyama Prosad Mookherjee in Delhi that he had seen masses of Hindu Sindhi families huddled and camping out on the main road near the port and in danger of massacre (all the Hindu women dressed in black burkhas in fear, my father&#8217;s clerk was one Lalwani who took him around and begged him to do something); Mookherjee told him to prepare a note for the morning which he did overnight dictating to a typist, Mookherjee was a member of the Nehru Cabinet and put the note up there the next morning, the Nehru Govt sent three frigates from Bombay to Karachi the next day along with merchant vessels for a safe evacuation of the refugees&#8230; there was no massacre of the Hindu Sindhis in Karachi&#8230;. LK Advani and others  might make a note&#8230;</p>
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<p>Perhaps because of the Karachi event, the young officer&#8217;s name came to be known in the small political/official world of Delhi at the time of Independence. I do not know how else the Mountbattens themselves came to invite him on 13 January 1948 or Prime Minister Nehru himself on 20 June 1948 in the official farewell to the Mountbattens. My father&#8217;s sensibility was such that he never made use of this in his later career in the new Indian Foreign Service that he would join some years later; I would have done, though I like him was never a careerist.</p>
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<p>My father in 1952, now with the Ministry of Commerce as &#8220;Deputy Chief Controller of Imports and Exports&#8221;&#8230; He was a contemporary of Raj Kapoor, and met him and Dilip Kumar and Dev Anand in the Bombay of the times&#8230; We used to joke that perhaps he should have gone into the movies some time..</p>
<p>http://independentindian.com/2008/07/08/my-father-indian-diplomat-in-the-shahs-tehran-1954-1957/.</p>
<p>http://independentindian.com/2008/10/18/indira-gandhi-in-paris-1971/</p>
<p>http://independentindian.com/2011/11/07/my-father-after-presenting-his-credentials-to-president-kekkonen-2/</p>
<h2><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em>From Facebook, 5 February 2012:</em></span></h2>
<h2 style="text-align:justify;"><em>It is a month ago today that my father was admitted to hospital, for the first time in almost 40 years. A day or so later we learnt he was terminally ill, and it is almost two weeks now that he died, just as these last doctors said he would. For more than a month before that we had been bewildered about what could be wrong, and what we were told came as a surprise, a shock, not least at our own infirmity and failure. From then until now I have been trying to understand and explain what happened. I published a book some 22 years ago with &#8220;On the Scope of Reason&#8221; in its title. I claim as my philosophical master someone who spent his life reflecting on the scope of reason, in moral philosophy, in theology, in life &#8212; and he claimed as his philosophical master someone who spent his life reflecting on the nature of reason and mind and the unconscious mind in particular. Before I ever entered economics or philosophy I had some knowledge of natural science, biology and chemistry in particular. My father&#8217;s death and our failure to comprehend it has needed an explanation that draws upon all this. Slowly that has been taking shape. It was definitely a lapse of rationality, on my part, on his, on his doctors&#8217;, and perhaps others. The thickening of the bladder wall had been noticed some years ago but was not paid adequate attention to. Out of wishful thinking, out of Aristotle&#8217;s akrasia or weakness of the will, out of a wish to choose the path of least resistance. There are lessons there for life and medicine and economics and political economy too.</em></h2>
<h2 style="text-align:justify;"><em>From 1957,  Montreal, a cartoon by Vazar of Mike Roy, Indian diplomat, going about his business, mostly promoting Indian exports to Canada, especially tea&#8230;. (Note the CD for Corps Diplomatique and the hat&#8230;)</em></h2>
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		<title>Pakistan&#8217;s Point of View (Or Points of View) on Kashmir: My As Yet Undelivered Lahore Lecture&#8211;Part I</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Preface: Exactly a year ago, in late October-November 2010, I received a very kind invitation from the Lahore Oxford and Cambridge Society to speak there on this subject.  Mid March 2011 was a tentative date for this lecture from which the text below is dated.  The lecture has yet to take place for various reasons [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=6060&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Preface: Exactly a year ago, in late October-November 2010,</strong></em> I received a very kind invitation from the Lahore Oxford and Cambridge Society to speak there on this subject.  Mid March 2011 was a tentative date for this lecture from which the text below is dated.  The lecture has yet to take place for various reasons but as there is demand for its content, I am releasing the part which was due to be released in any case to my Pakistani hosts ahead of time &#8212; after all, it would have been presumptuous of me to seek to speak in Lahore on Pakistan&#8217;s viewpoint on Kashmir, hence I instead  planned to release my understanding of that point of view ahead of time and open it to the criticism of my hosts.  The structure of the remainder of the talk may be surmised too from the Contents.  The text and argument are mine entirely, the subject of more than 25 years of research and reflection,  and are under consideration of publication as a book by Continuum of London and New York.  If you would like to comment, please feel free to do so, if you would like to refer to it in an online publication, please give this link, if you would like to refer to it in a paper-publication, please   email me.  Like other material at my site, it is open to the Fair Use rule of normal scholarship.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>On the Alternative Theories of Pakistan and India about Jammu &amp; Kashmir (And the One and Only Way These May Be Peacefully Reconciled): An Exercise in Economics, Politics, Moral Philosophy &amp; Jurisprudence</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;" align="center"> by</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;" align="center">Subroto (Suby) Roy</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;" align="center">Lecture to the Oxford and Cambridge Society of Lahore</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;" align="center">March 14, 2011 (tentative)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>&#8220;What is the use of studying philosophy if all that does for you is to enable you to talk with some plausibility about some abstruse questions of logic, etc., &amp; if it does not improve your thinking about the important questions of everyday life?&#8221;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wittgenstein, letter to Malcolm, 1944</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“India is the greatest Muslim country in the world.”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Sir Muhammad Iqbal, 1930, Presidential Address to the Muslim League, Allahabad</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"> <em>“Where be these enemies?&#8230; See, what a scourge is laid upon your hate,&#8230; all are punish&#8217;d.” </em>Shakespeare</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Dr Roy’s published works include <em>Philosophy of Economics: On the Scope of Reason in Economic Inquiry</em> (London &amp; New York: Routledge, 1989, 1991); <em>Pricing, Planning &amp; Politics: A Study of Economic Distortions in India </em>(London: Institute of Economic Affairs, 1984); and, edited with WE James, <em>Foundations of India’s Political Economy: Towards an Agenda for the 1990s</em> (Hawaii MS 1989, Sage 1992)  &amp; <em> Foundations of Pakistan’s Political Economy: Towards an Agenda for the 1990s</em> (Hawaii MS 1989, Sage 1992, OUP Karachi 1993); and, edited with John Clarke, <em>Margaret Thatcher’s Revolution: How it Happened and What it Meant</em> (London &amp; New York: Continuum 2005).  He graduated in 1976 with a first from the London School of Economics in mathematical economics, and received the PhD in economics at Cambridge in 1982 under Professor Frank Hahn for the thesis “On liberty &amp; economic growth: preface to a philosophy for India”. In the United States for 16 years he was privileged to count as friends Professors James Buchanan, Milton Friedman, TW Schultz, Max Black and Sidney Alexander.  From September 18 1990 he was an adviser to Rajiv Gandhi and contributed to the origins of India’s 1991 economic reform.  He blogs at www.independentindian.com.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>CONTENTS</strong></p>
<ol style="text-align:justify;" start="1">
<li><strong>Introduction</strong></li>
<li><strong>Pakistan’s Point of View (or Points of View)</strong></li>
</ol>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(a)    <strong>1930  Sir Muhammad Iqbal</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(b)    <strong>1933-1948 Chaudhury Rahmat Ali</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(c)    <strong>1937-1941 Sir Sikander Hayat Khan</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(d)    <strong>1937-1947 Quad-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(e)    <strong>1940s et seq  Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(f)    <strong> 1947-1950 Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan, 1966 President Ayub Khan, 2005 Govt of Pakistan, 2007 President Musharraf, 2008 FM Qureshi, 2011 Kashmir Day</strong></p>
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<li><strong>India’s Point of View: British Negligence/Indifference during the Transfer of Power, A Case of Misgovernance in the Chaotic Aftermath of World War II</strong></li>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>(a)    </em><strong>Rhetoric</strong>: <em>Whose Pakistan?  Which Kashmir?  </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>(b)    </em><strong>Law:</strong> <em>(i) Liaquat-Zafrullah-Abdullah-Nehru United in Error Over the Second Treaty of Amritsar! Dogra J&amp;K subsists Mar 16 1846-Oct 22 1947. Aggression, Anarchy, Annexations: The LOC as De Facto Boundary by Military Decision Since Jan 1 1949.  (ii)</em> <em>Legal Error &amp; Confusion Generated by 12 May 1946 Memorandum. (iii) War: Dogra J&amp;K attacked by Pakistan, defended by India: Invasion, Mutiny, Secession of “Azad Kashmir” &amp; Gilgit, Rape of Baramulla, Siege of Skardu.</em></p>
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<li><strong>Politics: What is to be Done? Towards Truths, Normalisation, Peace in the 21<sup>st</sup> Century</strong></li>
</ol>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>The Present Situation is Abnormal &amp; Intolerable. There May Be One (and Only One) Peacable Solution that is Feasible: Revealing Individual Choices Privately with Full Information &amp; Security: Indian “Green Cards”/PIO-OCI status for Hurriyat et al: A Choice of Nationality (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran).  Of Flags and Consulates in Srinagar &amp; Gilgit etc: De Jure Recognition of the Boundary, Diplomatic Normalisation,  Economic &amp; Military Cooperation.</em></p>
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<li><strong>Appendices:</strong></li>
</ol>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>(a)    History of Jammu &amp; Kashmir until the Dogra Native State</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>(b)    Pakistan’s Allies (including A Brief History of Gilgit)</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>(c)    India’s Muslim Voices</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>(d)    Pakistan’s Muslim Voices: An Excerpt from the Munir Report</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>1.  Introduction</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">For a solution to Jammu &amp; Kashmir to be universally acceptable it must be seen by all as being lawful and just. Political opinion across the subcontinent &#8212; in Pakistan, in India, among all people and parties in J&amp;K, those loyal to India, those loyal to Pakistan, and any others &#8212; will have to agree that, all things considered, such is the right course of action for everyone today in the 21st Century, which means too that the solution must be consistent with the principal known facts of history as well as account reasonably for all moral considerations.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I claim to have found such a solution, indeed I shall even say it is the <em>only</em> such solution (in terms of theoretical economics, it is the <em>unique</em> solution) and plan with your permission to describe its main outlines at this distinguished gathering.  I have not invented it overnight but it is something  developed over a quarter century, milestones along the way being the books emerging from the University of Hawaii “perestroika” projects for India and Pakistan that I and the late WE James led 25 years ago, and a lecture I gave at Washington’s Heritage Foundation in June 1998, as well as sets of newspaper articles published between 2005 and 2008, one in <em>Dawn</em> of Karachi and others in <em>The Statesman</em> of New Delhi and Kolkata.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Before I start, allow me for a moment to remind just how complex and intractable the problem we face has been, and, therefore, quite how large my ambition is in claiming today to be able to resolve it.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“Kashmir is in the Supreme National Interest of Pakistan”, says Pakistan.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“Kashmir is an Integral Part of India”, says India.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“Kashmir is an Integral Part of Pakistan”, says Pakistan.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“Kashmir is in the Supreme National Interest of India”, says India.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">And so it goes, in what over the decades has been all too often a Dialogue of the Deaf.  How may such squarely opposed positions be reconciled without draining public resources even further through wasteful weaponry and confrontation of standing armies, or, what is worse, using these weapons and armies in war, plunging the subcontinent into an abyss of chaos and destruction for generations to come?  How is it possible?</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I shall suggest a road can be found only when we realize Pakistan, India and J&amp;K each have been and are going to remain integral to one another &#8212; in their histories, their geographies, their economies and their societies.  The only place they may need to differ, where we shall want them to differ, is their politics and political systems. We should not underestimate how much mutual hatred and mutual fear has arisen naturally on all sides over the decades as a result of bloodshed and suffering all around, and the fact must also be accounted for that people simply may not be in a calm-enough emotional state to want to be part of processes seeking resolution; at the same time, it bears to be remembered that although Pakistan and India have been at war more than once and war is always a very serious and awful thing, they have never actually <strong><em>declared</em></strong> war against the other nor have they ever broken diplomatic relations – in fact in some ways it has always seemed like some very long and protracted fraternal Civil War between us where we think we know one another so well and yet come to be surprised more by one another’s virtues than by one another’s vices.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Secondly, with any seemingly intractable problem, dialogue can stall or be aborted due to normal human failings of impatience or lack of good will or lack of good humour or lack of a scientific attitude towards finding facts, or plain mutual miscomprehension of one another’s points of view through ignorance or laziness or negligence.  In case of Pakistan and India over J&amp;K, there has been the further critical complication that we of this generation did not cause this problem &#8212; it has been something inherited by us from not even our fathers but our grandfathers!  It is <em>two</em> generations old.  Each side must respect the words and deeds of its forebears but also may have to frankly examine in a scientific spirit where errors of fact or judgment may have occurred back then.  The antagonistic positions have changed only slightly over two generations, and one reason dialogue stalls or gets aborted today is because positions have become frozen for more than half a century and merely get repeated endlessly.  On top of such frozen positions have been piled pile upon pile of further vast mortal complications: the 1965 War, the 1971 secession of East Pakistan, the 1999 Kargil War, the 2008 Mumbai massacres.  Only cacophony results if we talk about everything at once, leaving the status quo of a dangerous expensive confrontation to continue.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I propose instead to focus as specifically and precisely as possible on how Jammu &amp; Kashmir became a problem at all during those crucial decades alongside the processes of Indian Independence, World War II, the Pakistan Movement and creation of Pakistan, accompanied by the traumas and bloodshed of Partition.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Having addressed that &#8212; and it is only fair to forewarn this eminent Lahore audience that such a survey of words, deeds and events between the 1930s and 1950s tends to emerge in India’s favour &#8212; I propose to “fast-forward” to current times, where certain new facts on the ground appear much more adverse to India, and finally seek to ask what can and ought to be done, all things considered, today in the circumstances of the 21st Century.   There are four central facts, let me for now call them Fact A, Fact B, Fact C and Fact D, which have to be accepted by both countries in good faith and a scientific spirit.  Facts A and B are historical in nature; Pakistan has refused to accept them. Facts C and D are contemporary in nature; official political India and much of the Indian media too often have appeared wilfully blind to them. The moment all four facts come to be accepted by all, the way forward becomes clear.  We have inherited this grave mortal problem which has so badly affected the ordinary people of J&amp;K in the most terrible and unacceptable manner, but if we fail to understand and resolve it, our children and grandchildren will surely fail even worse &#8212; we may even leave them to cope with the waste and destruction of further needless war or confrontation, indeed with the end of the subcontinent as we have received and known it in our time.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>2. Pakistan’s Point of View (Or Points of View) </strong></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>1930  Sir Muhammad Iqbal</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">This audience will need no explanation why I start with Sir Muhammad Iqbal (1877-1938), the poetic and spiritual genius who in the 20<sup>th</sup> Century inspired the notion of a Muslim polity in NorthWestern India, whose seminal 1930 presidential speech to the Muslim League in Allahabad lay the foundation stone of the new country that was yet to be.   He did not live to see Pakistan’s creation yet what may be called the <strong>“Pakistan Principle”</strong> was captured in his words:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“I would like to see the Punjab, Northwest Frontier Province, Sind and Baluchistan amalgamated into a single state. Self-government within the British Empire or without the British Empire, the formation of a consolidated North West Indian Muslim state appears to me to be the final destiny of the Muslims at least of Northwest India… India is the greatest Muslim country in the world.  The life of Islam as a cultural force in this living country very largely depends on its centralization in a specified territory”.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">He did not see such a consolidated Muslim state being theocratic and certainly not one filled with bigotry or “Hate-Hindu” campaigns:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“A community which is inspired by feelings of ill-will towards other communities is low and ignoble. I entertain the highest respect for the customs, laws, religious and social institutions of other communities… Yet I love the communal group which is the source of my life and my behaviour… Nor should the Hindus fear that the creation of autonomous Muslim states will mean the introduction of a kind of religious rule in such states…. I therefore demand the formation of a consolidated Muslim state in the best interests of India and Islam. For India it means security and peace resulting from an internal balance of power, for Islam an opportunity to rid itself of the stamp that Arabian Imperialism was forced to give it, to mobilise its law, its education, its culture, and to bring them into closer contact with its own original spirit and the spirit of modern times.”</em><a title="" href="#_ftn1">[1]</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Though Kashmiri himself, in fact a founding member of the “All-India Jammu &amp; Kashmir Muslim Conference of Lahore and Simla”, and a hero and role model for the young Sheikh Abdullah (1905-1982), Allama Iqbal was explicitly silent about J&amp;K being part of the new political entity he had come to imagine.  I do not say he would not have wished it to be had he lived longer; what I am saying is that his original vision of the consolidated Muslim state which constitutes Pakistan today (after a Partitioned Punjab) did not include Jammu &amp; Kashmir.  Rather, it was focused on the politics of British India and did not mention the politics of Kashmir or any other of the so-called “Princely States” or “Native States” of “Indian India” who constituted some 1/3<sup>rd</sup> of the land mass and 1/4<sup>th</sup> of the population of the subcontinent.  Twenty years ago I called this “The Paradox of Kashmir”, namely, that prior to 1947 J&amp;K hardly seemed to appear in any discussion at all for a century, yet it has consumed almost all discussion and resources ever since.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Secondly, this audience will see better than I can the significance of Dr Iqbal’s saying the Muslim political state of his conception needed</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“an opportunity to rid itself of the stamp that Arabian Imperialism was forced to give it”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">and instead seek to</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“mobilise its law, its education, its culture, and to bring them into closer contact with its own original spirit and the spirit of modern times”.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Dr Iqbal’s <strong>Pakistan Principle</strong> appears here the polar opposite of Pakistan’s 18<sup>th</sup> &amp; 19<sup>th</sup> Century pre-history represented by Shah Waliullah (1703-1762)<a title="" href="#_ftn2">[2]</a> saying</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“We are an Arab people whose fathers have fallen in exile in the country of Hindustan, and Arabic genealogy and Arabic language are our pride”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em> </em></strong>or Sayyid Ahmed Barelwi (1786-1831) saying</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“We must repudiate all those Indian, Persian and Roman customs which are contrary to the Prophet’s teaching&#8221;.</em><a title="" href="#_ftn3">[3]</a> <em> </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Some 25 years after the Allahabad address, the Munir Report in 1954 echoed Dr Iqbal’s thought when it observed about medieval military conquests</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“It is this brilliant achievement of the Arabian nomads …that makes the Musalman of today live in the past and yearn for the return of the glory that was Islam… Little does he understand that the forces which are pitted against him are entirely different from those against which early Islam had to fight… Nothing but a bold reorientation of Islam to separate the vital from the lifeless can preserve it as a World Idea and convert the Musalman into a citizen of the present and the future world from the archaic incongruity that he is today…” </em><a title="" href="#_ftn4">[4]</a><strong><em></em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em> </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>1933-1947  Chaudhury Rahmat Ali</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Dr Iqbal’s young follower, the radical Cambridge pamphleteer Chaudhury Rahmat Ali (1895-1951) drew a picture not of Muslim tolerance and coexistence with Hindus in a peaceful India but of aggression towards Hindus and domination by Muslims over the subcontinent and Asia itself.  Rahmat Ali had been inspired by Dr Iqbal’s call for a Muslim state in Northwest India but found it vague and was disappointed Iqbal had not pressed it at the Third Round Table Conference.  In 1933, reportedly on the upper floor of a London omnibus, he invented for the then-imagined political entity the name “PAKSTAN”, P for his native Punjab, A for Afghania, K for Kashmir, S for Sind, and STAN for Balochistan.  He sought a meeting with Mr Jinnah in London &#8212; “Jinnah disliked Rahmat Ali’s ideas and avoided meeting him”<a title="" href="#_ftn5">[5]</a> but did meet him.  There is a thesis yet to be written on how Europe’s inter-War ideologies affected political thinking on the subcontinent.  Rahmat Ali’s vituperative views about Hindus were akin to others about Jews (and Muslims too) at the time, all models or counterfoils for one another in the fringes of Nazism.  He referred to the Indian nationalist movement as a “British-Banya alliance”, declined to admit India had ever existed and personally renamed the subcontinent “Dinia” and the seas around it the “Pakian Sea”, the “Osmanian Sea” etc. He urged Sikhs to rise up in a “Sikhistan” and urged all non-Hindus to rise up in war against Hindus. Given the obscurity of his life before his arrival at Cambridge’s Emmanuel College, what experiences may have led him to such views are not known.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">All this was anathema to Mr Jinnah, the secular constitutionalist embarrassed by a reactionary Muslim imperialism in that rapidly modernising era that was the middle of the 20<sup>th</sup> Century.  When Rahmat Ali pressed the ‘Pakstan’ acronym, Mr Jinnah said Bengal was not in it and Muslim minority regions were absent.  At this Chaudhury-Sahib produced a general scheme of Muslim domination all over the subcontinent: there would be “Pakstan” in the northwest including Kashmir, Delhi and Agra; “Bangistan” in Bengal; “Osmanistan” in Hyderabad; “Siddiquistan” in Bundelhand and Malwa; “Faruqistan” in Bihar and Orissa; “Haideristan” in UP; “Muinistan” in Rajasthan; “Maplistan” in Kerala; even “Safiistan” in “Western Ceylon” and “Nasaristan” in “Eastern Ceylon”, etc.  In 1934 he published and widely circulated such a diagram among Muslims in Britain at the time.  He was not invited to the Lahore Resolution which did not refer to Pakistan though came to be called the Pakistan Resolution.  When he landed in the new Pakistan, he was apparently arrested and deported back and was never granted a Pakistan passport.  From England, he turned his wrath upon the new government, condemning Mr Jinnah as treacherous and newly re-interpreting his acronym to refer to Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Iran, Sindh, Tukharistan (sic), Afghanistan, and Balochistan.  The word “pak” coincidentally meant pure, so he began to speak of Muslims as “the Pak” i.e. “the pure” people, and of how the national destiny of the new Pakistan was to liberate “Pak” people everywhere, including the new India, and create a “Pak Commonwealth of Nations” stretching from Arabia to the Indies.  The map he now drew placed the word “Punjab” over J&amp;K, and saw an Asia dominated by this “Pak” empire. Shunned by officialdom of the new Pakistan, Chaudhury-Sahib was a tragic figure who died in poverty and obscurity during an influenza epidemic in 1951; the Master of Emmanuel College paid for his funeral and was apparently later reimbursed for this by the Government of Pakistan.  In recent years he has undergone a restoration, and his grave at Cambridge has become a site of pilgrimage for ideologues, while his diagrams and writings have been reprinted in Pakistan’s newspapers as recently as February 2005.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>1937-1941 Sir Sikander Hayat Khan</em></strong><strong></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Chaudhary Rahmat Ali’s harshest critic at the time was the eminent statesman and Premier of Punjab Sir Sikander Hayat Khan (1892-1942), partner of the 1937 Sikander-Jinnah Pact, and an author of the Lahore Resolution.  His statement of 11 March 1941 in the Punjab Legislative Assembly Debates is a classic:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“No Pakistan scheme was passed at Lahore… As for Pakistan schemes, Maulana Jamal-ud-Din’s is the earliest…Then there is the scheme which is attributed to the late Allama Iqbal of revered memory.  He, however, never formulated any definite scheme but his writings and poems have given some people ground to think that Allama Iqbal desired the establishment of  some sort of  Pakistan.  But it is not difficult to explode this theory and to prove conclusively that his conception of  Islamic solidarity and universal brotherhood is not in conflict with Indian patriotism and is in fact quite different from the ideology now sought to be attributed to him by some enthusiasts… Then there is Chaudhuri Rahmat Ali’s scheme (*laughter*)…it was widely circulated in this country and… it was also given wide publicity at the time in a section of the British press.  But there is another scheme…it was published in one of the British journals, I think Round Table, and was conceived by an Englishman…..the word Pakistan was not used at the League meeting and this term was not applied to (the League’s Lahore) resolution by anybody until the Hindu press had a brain-wave and dubbed it Pakistan…. The ignorant masses  have now adopted the slogan provided by the short-sighted bigotry of the Hindu and Sikh press…they overlooked the fact that the word Pakistan might have an appeal – a strong appeal – for the Muslim masses.  It is a catching phrase and it has caught popular imagination and has thus made confusion worse confounded…. So far as we in the Punjab are concerned, let me assure you that we will not countenance or accept any proposal that does not secure freedom for all (*cheers*).  We do not desire that Muslims should domineer here, just as we do not want the Hindus to domineer where Muslims are in a minority. Now would we allow anybody or section to thwart us because Muslims happen to be in a majority in this province.  We do not ask for freedom that there may be a Muslim Raj here and Hindu Raj elsewhere.  If that is what Pakistan means I will have nothing to do with it.   If Pakistan means unalloyed Muslim Raj in the Punjab then I will have nothing to do with it (*hear, hear*)…. If you want real freedom for the Punjab, that is to say a Punjab in which every community will have its due share in the economic and administrative fields as partners in a common concern, then that Punjab will not be Pakistan but just Punjab, land of the five rivers; Punjab is Punjab and will always remain Punjab whatever anybody may say (*cheers*).  This, then, briefly is the future which I visualize for my province and for my country under any new constitution.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Intervention (Malik Barkat Ali): The Lahore resolution says the same thing.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Premier: Exactly; then why misinterpret it and try to mislead the  masses?…”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>1937-1947  Quad-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah</em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">During the Third Round Table Conference, Dr Iqbal persuaded Mr Jinnah (1876-1948) to return to India; Mr Jinnah, from being settled again in his London law practice, did so in 1934.  But following the 1935 Govt of India Act, the Muslim League failed badly when British India held its first elections in 1937 not only in Bengal and UP but in Punjab (one seat), NWFP and Sind.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">World War II, like World War I a couple of brief decades earlier, then changed the political landscape completely. Germany invaded Poland on 1 September 1939 and Britain and France declared war on Germany on 3 September.  The next day, India’s British Viceroy (Linlithgow) granted Mr Jinnah the political parity with Congress that he had sought.<a title="" href="#_ftn6">[6]</a>  Professor Francis Robinson suggests that until 4 September 1939 the British</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“had had little time for Jinnah and his League.  The Government’s declaration of war on Germany on 3 September, however, transformed the situation. A large part of the army was Muslim, much of the war effort was likely to rest on the two Muslim majority provinces of Punjab and Bengal. The following day, the Viceroy invited Jinnah for talks on an equal footing with Gandhi…. As the Congress began to demand immediate independence, the Viceroy took to reassuring Jinnah that Muslim interests would be safeguarded in any constitutional change. Within a few months, he was urging the League to declare a constructive policy for the future, which was of course presented in the Lahore Resolution<a title="" href="#_ftn7">[7]</a>…. In their August 1940 offer, the British confirmed for the benefit of Muslims that power would not be transferred against the will of any significant element in Indian life. And much the same confirmation was given in the Cripps offer nearly two years later…. Throughout the years 1940 to 1945, the British made no attempt to tease out the contradictions between the League’s two-nation theory, which asserted that Hindus and Muslims came from two different civilisations and therefore were two different nations, and the Lahore Resolution, which demanded that ‘Independent States’ should be constituted from the Muslim majority provinces of the NE and NW, thereby suggesting that Indian Muslims formed not just one nation but two. When in 1944 the governors of Punjab and Bengal urged such a move on the Viceroy, Wavell ignored them, pressing ahead instead with his own plan for an all-India conference at Simla. The result was to confirm, as never before in the eyes of leading Muslims in the majority provinces, the standing of Jinnah and the League. Thus, because the British found it convenient to take the League seriously, everyone had to as well—Congressmen, Unionists, Bengalis, and so on…”<a title="" href="#_ftn8">[8]</a></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em> </em>Mr Jinnah was himself amazed by the new British attitude towards him:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“(S)uddenly there was a change in the attitude towards me. I was treated on the same basis as Mr Gandhi. I was wonderstruck why all of a sudden I was promoted and given a place side by side with Mr Gandhi.”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Britain, threatened for its survival, faced an obdurate Indian leadership and even British socialists sympathetic to Indian aspirations grew cold (Gandhi dismissing the 1942 Cripps offer as a “post-dated cheque on a failing bank”).  Official Britain’s loyalties had been consistently with those who had been loyal to them, and it was unsurprising there would be a tilt to empower Mr Jinnah soon making credible the real possibility of Pakistan.<a title="" href="#_ftn9">[9]</a>  By 1946, Britain was exhausted, pre-occupied with rationing, Berlin, refugee resettlement and countless other post-War problems &#8212; Britain had not been beaten in war but British imperialism was finished because of the War.  Muslim opinion in British India had changed decisively in the League’s favour.   But the  subcontinent’s political processes were drastically spinning out of everyone’s control towards anarchy and blood-letting.  Implementing a lofty vision of a cultured progressive consolidated Muslim state in India’s NorthWest descended into “Direct Action” with urban mobs  shouting <em>Larke lenge Pakistan; Marke lenge Pakistan; Khun se lenge Pakistan; Dena hoga Pakistan.</em><strong><a title="" href="#_ftn10">[10]</a><em> </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">We shall return to Mr Jinnah’s view on the legal position of the “Native Princes” of “Indian India” during this critical time, specifically J&amp;K; here it is essential before proceeding only to record his own vision for the new Pakistan as recorded by the profoundly judicious report of Justice Munir and Justice Kayani a mere half dozen years later:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“Before the Partition, the first public picture of Pakistan that the Quaid-i-Azam gave to the world was in the course of an interview in New Delhi with Mr. Doon Campbell, Reuter’s Correspondent. The Quaid-i-Azam said that the new State would be a modern democratic State, with sovereignty resting in the people and the members of the new nation having equal rights of citizenship regardless of their religion, caste or creed.  When Pakistan formally appeared on the map, the Quaid-i-Azam in his memorable speech of 11<sup>th</sup> August 1947 to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, while stating the principle on which the new State was to be founded, said:—‘All the same, in this division it was impossible to avoid the question of minorities being in one Dominion or the other. Now that was unavoidable. There is no other solution. Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and specially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation, forgetting the past, burying the hatchet, you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that every one of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges and obligations., there will be no end to the progress you will make.  “I cannot emphasise it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities—the Hindu community and the Muslim community— because even as regards Muslims you have Pathana, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on—will vanish. Indeed if you ask me this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain its freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free peoples long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time but for this (Applause). Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed— that has nothing to do with the business of the State (Hear, hear). As you know, history shows that in England conditions sometime ago were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some States in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days when there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State (Loud applause). The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the Government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist: what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen, of Great Britain and they are all members of the nation. “Now, I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State’. The Quaid-i-Azam was the founder of Pakistan and the occasion on which he thus spoke was the first landmark in the history of Pakistan. The speech was intended both for his own people including non-Muslims and the world, and its object was to define as clearly as possible the ideal to the attainment of which the new State was to devote all its energies. There are repeated references in this speech to the bitterness of the past and an appeal to forget and change the past and to bury the hatchet. The future subject of the State is to be a citizen with equal rights, privileges and obligations, irrespective of colour, caste, creed or community. The word ‘nation’ is used more than once and religion is stated to have nothing to do with the business of the State and to be merely a matter of personal faith for the individual.”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>1940s et seq  Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, Amir Jama’at-i-Islami</em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The eminent theologian Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi (1903-1979), founder of the Jama’at-i-Islami, had been opposed to the Pakistan Principle but once Pakistan was created he became the most eminent votary of an Islamic State, declaring:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em> </em></strong><em>&#8220;That the sovereignty in Pakistan belongs to God Almighty alone and that the Government of Pakistan shall administer the country as His agent&#8221;.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em></em></strong> In such a view, Islam becomes</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“the very antithesis of secular Western democracy. The philosophical foundation of Western democracy is the sovereignty of the people. Lawmaking is their prerogative and legislation must correspond to the mood and temper of their opinion… Islam… altogether repudiates the philosophy of popular sovereignty and rears its polity on the foundations of the sovereignty of God and the viceregency (Khilafat) of man.”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Maudoodi was asked by Justice Munir and Justice Kayani:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em> “Q.—Is a country on the border of dar-ul-Islam always qua an Islamic State in the position of dar-ul-harb ?</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>A.—No. In the absence of an agreement to the contrary, the Islamic State will be potentially at war with the non-Muslim neighbouring country. The non-Muslim country acquires the status of dar-ul-harb only after the Islamic State declares a formal war against it”.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“Q.—Is there a law of war in Islam?</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>A.—Yes.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Q.—Does it differ fundamentally from the modern International Law of war?</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>A.—These two systems are based on a fundamental difference.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Q.—What rights have non-Muslims who are taken prisoners of war in a jihad?</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>A.—The Islamic law on the point is that if the country of which these prisoners are nationals pays ransom, they will be released. An exchange of prisoners is also permitted. If neither of these alternatives is possible, the prisoners will be converted into slaves for ever. If any such person makes an offer to pay his ransom out of his own earnings, he will be permitted to collect the money necessary for the fidya (ransom).</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Q.—Are you of the view that unless a Government assumes the form of an Islamic Government, any war declared by it is not a jihad?</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>A.—No. A war may be declared to be a jihad if it is declared by a national Government of Muslims in the legitimate interests of the State. I never expressed the opinion attributed to me in Ex. D. E. 12:— (translation)‘The question remains whether, even if the Government of Pakistan, in its present form and structure, terminates her treaties with the Indian Union and declares war against her, this war would fall under the definition of jihad? The opinion expressed by him in this behalf is quite correct. Until such time as the Government becomes Islamic by adopting the Islamic form of Government, to call any of its wars a jihad would be tantamount to describing the enlistment and fighting of a non-Muslim on the side of the Azad Kashmir forces jihad and his death martyrdom. What the Maulana means is that, in the presence of treaties, it is against Shari’at, if the Government or its people participate in such a war. If the Government terminates the treaties and declares war, even then the war started by Government would not be termed jihad unless the Government becomes Islamic’.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>….</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“Q.—If we have this form of Islamic Government in Pakistan, will you permit Hindus to base their Constitution on the basis of their own religion?</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>A—Certainly. I should have no objection even if the Muslims of India are treated in that form of Government as shudras and malishes and Manu’s laws are applied to them, depriving them of all share in the Government and the rights of a citizen. In fact such a state of affairs already exists in India.”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>.…</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“Q.—What will be the duty of the Muslims in India in case of war between India and Pakistan?</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>A.—Their duty is obvious, and that is not to fight against Pakistan or to do anything injurious to the safety of Pakistan.”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>1947-1950 PM Liaquat Ali Khan, 1966 Gen Ayub Khan, 2005 Govt of Pakistan et seq</em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In contrast to Maulana Maudoodi saying Islam was “the very antithesis of secular Western democracy”,  Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan (1895-1951)<a title="" href="#_ftn11">[11]</a> during his first official visit in 1950 to North America was to say the new Pakistan, because it was Muslim, held Asia’s greatest democratic potential:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“At present there is no democracy in Asia which is more free and more unified than Pakistan; none so free from moral doubts and from strains between the various sections of the people.”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">He told his audiences Pakistan was created because Hindus were people wedded to caste-differences where Pakistanis as Muslims had an egalitarian and democratic disposition:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“The Hindus, for example, believe in the caste system according to which some human beings are born superior to others and cannot have any social relations with those in the lower castes or with those who are not Hindus.   They cannot marry them or eat with them or even touch them without being polluted.   The Muslims abhor the caste system, as they are a democratic people and believe in the equality of men and equal opportunities for all, do not consider a priesthood necessary, and have economic laws and institutions which recognize the right of private ownership and yet are designed to promote the distribution of wealth and to put healthy checks on vast unearned accumulations… so the Hindus and the Muslims decided to part and divide British India into two independent sovereign states… Our demand for a country of our own had, as you see, a strong democratic urge behind it.  The emergence of Pakistan itself was therefore the triumph of a democratic idea.  It enabled at one stroke a democratic nation of eighty million people to find a place of its own in Asia, where now they can worship God in freedom and pursue their own way of life uninhibited by the domination or the influence of ways and beliefs that are alien or antagonistic to their genius.” <a title="" href="#_ftn12">[12]</a></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">President Ayub Khan would state in similar vein on 18 November 1966 at London’s Royal Institute of International Affairs:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“the root of the problem was the conflicting ideologies of India and Pakistan. Muslim Pakistan believed in common brotherhood and giving people equal opportunity.  India and Hinduism are based on inequality and on colour and race.  Their basic concept is the caste system… Hindus and Muslims could never live under one Government, although they might live side by side.”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Regarding J&amp;K, Liaquat Ali Khan on November 4 1947 broadcast from here in Lahore that the 1846 Treaty of Amritsar was <strong><em>“infamous”</em></strong> in having caused an  <strong><em>“immoral and illegal”</em></strong> ownership of Jammu &amp; Kashmir.  He, along with Mr Jinnah, had called Sheikh Abdullah a “goonda” and “hoodlum” and “Quisling” of India, and on February 4 1948 Pakistan formally challenged the sovereignty of the Dogra dynasty in the world system of nations.  In 1950 during his North American visit though, the Prime Minister allowed that J&amp;K was a <strong><em>“princely state”</em></strong> but said</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“culturally, economically, geographically and strategically, Kashmir – 80 per cent of whose peoples like the majority of the people in Pakistan are Muslims – is in fact an integral part of Pakistan”;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“(the) bulk of the population (are) under Indian military occupation”.  </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Pakistan’s official self-image, portrayal of India, and position on J&amp;K may have not changed greatly since her founding Prime Minister’s statements.   For example, in June 2005 the website of the Government of Pakistan’s Permanent Mission at the UN stated:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“Q: How did Hindu Raja (sic) become the ruler of Muslim majority Kashmir? </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>A: Historically speaking Kashmir had been ruled by the Muslims from the 14th Century onwards.  The Muslim rule continued till early 19th Century when the ruler of Punjab conquered  Kashmir and gave Jammu to a Dogra Gulab Singh who purchased Kashmir from the British in 1846 for a sum of 7.5 million rupees.”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>&#8220;India’s forcible occupation of the State of Jammu and Kashmir in 1947 is the main cause of the dispute. India claims to have ‘signed’ a controversial document, the Instrument of Accession, on 26 October 1947 with the Maharaja of Kashmir, in which the Maharaja obtained India’s military help against popular insurgency.   The people of Kashmir and Pakistan do not accept the Indian claim.   There are doubts about the very existence of the Instrument of Accession.  The United Nations also does not consider Indian claim as legally valid: it recognises Kashmir as a disputed territory.   Except India, the entire world community recognises Kashmir as a disputed territory. The fact is that all the principles on the basis of which the Indian subcontinent was partitioned by the British in 1947 justify Kashmir becoming a part of Pakistan:  the State had majority Muslim population, and it not only enjoyed geographical proximity with Pakistan but also had essential economic linkages with the territories constituting Pakistan.&#8221;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">India, a country dominated by the hated-Hindus, has forcibly denied Srinagar Valley’s Muslim majority over the years the freedom to become part of Muslim Pakistan – I stand here to be corrected but, in a nutshell, such has been and remains Pakistan’s official view and projection of the Kashmir problem over more than sixty years.<a title="" href="#_ftn13">[13]</a></p>
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<p><a title="" href="#_ftnref1">[1]</a> EIJ Rosenthal, <em>Islam in the Modern National State</em>, 1965, pp.196-197.</p>
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<p><a title="" href="#_ftnref2">[2]</a> A contemporary of Mohammad Ibn Abdal Wahhab of Nejd.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><a title="" href="#_ftnref3">[3]</a> Francis Robinson in  WE James &amp; Subroto Roy, <em>Foundations of Pakistan’s Political Economy: Towards an Agenda for the 1990s</em>, 1993, p. 36.  Indeed Barelwi had created a proto-Pakistan in NorthWest India one hundred years before the Pakistan Movement<em>.</em> “In the later 1820s the movement became militant, regarding jihad as one of the basic tenets of faith.  Possibly encouraged by the British, with whom the movement did not feel powerful enough to come to grips at the outset, it chose as the venue of jihad the NW frontier of the subcontinent, where it was directed against the Sikhs.  Barelwi temporarily succeeded in carving out a small theocratic principality which collapsed owing to the friction between his Pathan and North Indian followers; and he was finally defeated and slain by the Sikhs in 1831&#8243; (Aziz Ahmed, in  AL Basham (ed) <em>A Cultural History of India</em> 1976, p. 384).   Professor Robinson answered a query of mine in an email of 8 August 2005: “the fullest description of this is in Mohiuddin Ahmad, <em>Saiyid Ahmad Shahid </em>(Lucknow, 1975), although practically everyone who deals with the period covers it in some way. Barelwi was the Amir al-Muminin of a jihadi community which based itself north of Peshawar and for a time controlled Peshawar.  He called his fellowship the Tariqa-yi Muhammadiya.  Barelwi corresponded with local rulers about him.  After his death at the battle of Balakot, it survived in the region, at Sittana I think, down to World War One.”</p>
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<p><a title="" href="#_ftnref4">[4]</a> Rosenthal, <strong><em>ibid</em></strong>., p 235</p>
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<p><a title="" href="#_ftnref5">[5]</a> Germans</p>
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<p><a title="" href="#_ftnref6">[6]</a> Events remote from India’s history and geography, namely, the rise of Hitler and the Second World War, had contributed between 1937 and 1947 to the change of fortunes of the Muslim League and hence of all the people of the subcontinent.  The British had long discovered that mutual antipathy between Muslims and Hindus could be utilised in fashioning their rule; specifically that organisation and mobilisation of Muslim communal opinion was a useful counterweight to any pan-Indian nationalism emerging to compete with British authority. As early as 1874, long before Allan Octavian Hume ICS conceived the Indian National Congress, John Strachey ICS observed <em>“The existence side by side of these (Hindu and Muslim) hostile creeds is one of the strong points in our political position in India. The better classes of Mohammedans are a source of strength to us and not of weakness. They constitute a comparatively small but an energetic minority of the population whose political interests are identical with ours.”</em> By 1906, when a deputation of Muslims headed by the Aga Khan first approached the British pleading for communal representation, Minto the Viceroy replied: <em>“I am as firmly convinced as I believe you to be that any electoral representation in India would be doomed to mischievous failure which aimed at granting a personal enfranchisement, regardless of the beliefs and traditions of the communities composing the population of this Continent.” Minto’s wife wrote in her diary the effect was “nothing less than the pulling back of sixty two millions of (Muslims) from joining the ranks of the seditious opposition.” </em>(The true significance of Maulana Azad may have been that he, precisely at the same time, did indeed feel within himself the nationalist’s desire for freedom strongly enough to want to join the ranks of that seditious opposition.)</p>
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<p><a title="" href="#_ftnref7">[7]</a> <em>“That geographically contiguous units are demarcated into regions which should be so constituted, with such territorial readjustments as may be necessary, that the areas in which the Muslims are numerically in a majority, as in the North-Western and Eastern zones of India should be grouped to constitute Independent States in which the constituent units shall be autonomous and sovereign”.</em></p>
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<p><a title="" href="#_ftnref8">[8]</a> Robinson ibid, pp. 43-44.</p>
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<p><a title="" href="#_ftnref9">[9]</a> In the “Indian India” of the Native Princes, Hari Singh and others who sent troops to fight as part of British armies (and who were nominal members of Churchill’s War Cabinet) would have their vanities flattered, while Sheikh Abdullah’s rebellion against Dogra rule would be ignored. See seq. And in British India, Mr Jinnah the conservative Anglophile and his elitist Muslim League would be backed, while the radicalised masses of the Gandhi-Bose-Nehru Congress suppressed as a nuisance.</p>
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<p><a title="" href="#_ftnref10">[10]</a> An anthology about Lahore reports memories of a murderous mob arriving at a wealthy man’s home to be placated  with words like  “They are Parsis not Hindus, no need to kill them…”</p>
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<p><a title="" href="#_ftnref11">[11]</a> An exact contemporary of Chaudhury Rahmat Ali.</p>
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<p><a title="" href="#_ftnref12">[12]</a> <em>Pakistan</em>, Harvard University Press, 1950.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><a title="" href="#_ftnref13">[13]</a> It is not far from this to a certain body of sentiments frequently found, for example, as recently as February 5 2011: <em>“To observe the Kashmir Solidarity Day, various programs, rallies and protests will be held on Saturday (today) across the city to support the people of Kashmir in their struggle against the Indian occupation of their land.  Various religious, political, social and other organizations have arranged different programs to highlight the atrocities of Indian occupant army in held Jammu and Kashmir where about 800,000 Indian soldiers have been committing atrocities against innocent civilians; killing, wounding and maiming tens of thousands of people; raping thousands of women and setting houses, shops and crops on fire to break the Kashmiris’ will to fight for their freedom…Jamat-ud-Dawah…leaders warned that a ‘jihad&#8217; would be launched if Kashmir was not liberated through civil agitation…the JuD leaders said first the former President, Pervez Musharraf, and now the current dispensation were extending the olive branch to New Delhi despite the atrocities on the Kashmiri people….the Pakistani nation would (never compromise on the issue of Kashmir and) would continue to provide political, moral and diplomatic support to the Kashmiri people.”</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[On 14 September 1973 my father presented his credentials as &#8220;Ambassadeur extraordinaire et plenepotentiaire de l&#8217;Inde&#8221; to the President of the Republic of Finland, His Excellency Urho Kekkonen (1900-1986). My father&#8217;s career included a half dozen or so years spent with  Indian Oxygen and the Tatas in Jamshedpur (where he met my mother&#8217;s family), followed [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=3876&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">On 14 September 1973 my father presented his credentials as &#8220;<em>Ambassadeur extraordinaire et plenepotentiaire de l&#8217;Inde</em>&#8221; to the President of the Republic of Finland, His Excellency Urho Kekkonen (1900-1986).</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">My father&#8217;s career included a half dozen or so years spent with  Indian Oxygen and the Tatas in Jamshedpur (where he met my mother&#8217;s family), followed by a dozen years starting in 1942 with the Government of India (as a &#8220;Class I Grade 1 officer&#8221;) in the war-time Ministry of Supply and later the Ministry of Commerce, followed by little more than two decades in the new Indian Foreign Service.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">He has been a man of aesthetic taste and good manners; looking back upon his foreign service career through postings in Tehran, Ottawa, Colombo, Dhaka, Stockholm, Odessa, Paris and Helsinki, I think his aristocratic sensibility made him a &#8220;natural diplomat&#8221;.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(It is not a sensibility I have felt myself sharing much; he had wished me to follow in his footsteps but I rarely have wished to be diplomatic in my  pronouncements!)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">There will be more of my father&#8217;s experiences here in due course,  especially during the early years of independent India, e.g. with Zafrullah Khan at Karachi airport in 1947, in the evacuation of Hindu refugees from Karachi during Partition, as well as his handling of the Indian diplomatic mission  in Dhaka during the 1965 war.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>My Seventy-One Notes at Facebook etc on Kashmir, Pakistan, and, of course, India (listed thanks to JD)<br />
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<div>(I am afraid you need a Facebook account to see most of these, though several are in the newspapers and/or at this site too.  I will try in due course to have everything reproduced here too.)</div>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>1) Talking to my student and friend Amir Malik about Pakistan and its problems</em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150297082781126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Tuesday, September 27, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>2) My thanks to Mr Singh for seeing the optimality of my Kashmir solution</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150271489571126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Sunday, September 4, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>3) Zafrullah, my father, and the three frigates: there was no massacre of the Hindu Sindhi refugees in Karachi in 1947</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150265008366126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Saturday, August 27, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>4) Conversation with Mr Birinder R Singh about my Kashmir solution</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150259831611126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Saturday, August 20, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>5) On the Hurriyat&#8217;s falsification of history</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150258949946126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Friday, August 19, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>6) Letter from a young Pashtun whose grandfathers were in the 1947 invasion of Kashmir (which the Hurriyat says never happened)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150258851821126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Friday, August 19, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>7) More on my solution</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150258100876126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Thursday, August 18, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>8  ) A Hurriyat/Taliban Islamist emirate in the Valley subject to an Indian blockade would likely face famine.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150257700231126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, August 17, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>9) There is no Kashmiri nationality and there never has been in the modern era of international law</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/subyroy?sk=notes&amp;s=20</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, August 15, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>10) Of the Flag of Pakistan, and the Union Jack, and the Flag of India &#8212; August 14-15 1947</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150255301456126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Sunday, August 14, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>11) Talking about Kashmir in 1947 to Ralph Coti</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150254871116126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Saturday, August 13, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>12) Conversation with Prof. Bhim Singh about 1947</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150254495896126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Saturday, August 13, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>13) The LOC represents the division of ownerless, sovereignless territory won by military conquest by either side&#8230;</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150245816611126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, August 1, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>14) Talking to Mr Tauseef</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150245521131126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, August 1, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>15) J&amp;K had ceased to exist as an entity in international law by August 15 1947, at most by October 22 1947</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150244867021126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Sunday, July 31, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>16) Would someone be kind enough to tell me which freedoms Indian Kashmiris are being deprived of?</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150243323381126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Friday, July 29, 2011</p>
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<p><em><strong>17) Kunan Poshpora: I would say the evidence reported by the Verghese Committee itself was enough to indicate there had been rape</strong></em><strong><em> </em></strong>28 July 2011</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>18) Talking to Mr Rameez Makhdoomi about Kashmir</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150241973371126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, July 27, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>19) And, as you well know, General Hasnain is both Muslim and Kashmiri, besides being the Commanding Officer of 15 Corps.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/subyroy?sk=notes&amp;s=40</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Friday, July 22, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>20) Kashmir needs a Coroner&#8217;s Office!</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150238284741126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Friday, July 22, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>21) A slogan for Kashmir: No exaggerations, no hallucinations, no cover-ups please: Just the plain facts &amp; accountability</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150238136556126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Friday, July 22, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>22) Towards a Spatial Model of Kashmir&#8217;s Political History</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150234599731126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Sunday, July 17, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>23) Why did Allama Iqbal say &#8220;India is the greatest Muslim country in the world&#8230;&#8221;?</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150233148866126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Friday, July 15, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>24) Conversation with Mr Arif</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150230793806126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Tuesday, July 12, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>25) Omar Qayoom Bhat: A Victim of State Repression in J&amp;K</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150229389496126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, July 11, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>26) Good and evil in Kashmir over more than a millennium&#8230;</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150217168656126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Sunday, June 26, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>27) Letter to Mr Zargar (Continued)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150212034496126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">June 23, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>28) From the Official Indian Army website re Human Rights Violations</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150210741356126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, June 22, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>29) A Facebook Discussion on Kashmir with the Lahore Oxford &amp; Cambridge Society</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150208871201126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Sunday, June 19, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>30) Answering two central questions on the Kashmir Problem</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150202054326126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Friday, June 10, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>31) Some articles on Jammu &amp; Kashmir, Pakistan, Afghanistan</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150201498846126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Friday, June 10, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>32) Lar ke lenge Pakistan? Khun se lenge Pakistan?</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150195065706126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Thursday, June 2, 2011</p>
<p><em><strong>33) On Pakistan &amp; Questions of the Nature &amp; Jurisprudence of Polities</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150165301016126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Saturday, April 30, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>34) On &#8220;state involvement&#8221; (January 2009)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">on Friday, April 22, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>35) My four main 2005-06 articles on the existence of a unique, stable solution to Kashmir</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150155305266126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Sunday, April 17, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>36) On the present state of the Pakistan-India dialogue</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150140448906126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Thursday, March 31, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>37) Mixed messages (from a Dec 2008 post on Pakistan just after the Mumbai massacres)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150117696731126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Tuesday, March 29, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>38) New Foreign Policy? “Kiss Up, Kick Down”? (October 2006)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150098854806126</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Friday, March 4, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>39) Conversations with Kashmiris: An Ongoing Facebook Note</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=489267761125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Saturday, January 22, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>40) On Pakistan and the Theory &amp; Practice of the Islamic State, 1949, 1954</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=486039761125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Saturday, January 15, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>41) A Modern Military (2006)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=483556931125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, January 10, 2011</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>42) India&#8217;s Muslim Voices: Sir Sikandar Hyat Khan (1892-1942), Punjab Prime Minister 1941</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=476020171125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, December 27, 2010</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>43) Pre-Partition Indian Secularism Case-Study: Fuzlul Huq and Manindranath Roy</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=445015731125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Tuesday, October 26, 2010</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>44) A Brief Note on Bangladesh, Pakistan, India and the Pashtuns 1971-2010</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=414500306125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, July 28, 2010</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>45) On the Existence of a Unique and Stable Solution to the Jammu &amp; Kashmir Problem that is Lawful, Just and Economically Efficient</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=407478886125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, July 5, 2010</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>46) Seventy Years Today (Sep 4 2009) Since the British Govt Politically Empowered MA Jinnah</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=407310716125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, July 5, 2010</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>47) Justice &amp; Afzal (Oct 14 2006)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=393914236125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Tuesday, May 18, 2010</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>48) My (armchair) experience of the 1999 Kargil war (Or, How the Kargil effort got a little help from a desktop)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=388161476125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Thursday, April 29, 2010</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>49) A Brief History of Gilgit</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=336081356125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, March 1, 2010</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>50)  India-USA interests: Elements of a serious Indian foreign policy (2007)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=299902341125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, February 10, 2010</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>51) Ambassador Holbrooke&#8217;s error of historical fact</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=259713446125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Sunday, January 17, 2010</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>52) Of a new New Delhi myth &amp; the success of the Univ of Hawaii 1986-1992 Pakistan project (Nov 15 2008)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=247284116125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Sunday, 10 January 2010</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>53) Was Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah (1905-1982), Lion of Kashmir, the greatest Muslim political leader of the 20th Century?</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=244956301125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Friday, January 8, 2010</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>54) On Indian Nationhood: From Tamils To Kashmiris &amp; Assamese &amp; Mizos To Sikhs &amp; Goans (2007)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=222511821125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Friday, December 25, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>55) India has never, not once, initiated hostilities against Pakistan (2009)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=194400926125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, December 2, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>56) RAND’s study of the Mumbai attacks (Jan 25 2009)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=189261716125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, November 25, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>57) Memo to the Hon’ble Attorneys General of Pakistan &amp; India (January 16 2009)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=189251816125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, November 25, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>58) On Hindus and Muslims (2005)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=172649451125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Tuesday, November 3, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>59) Iqbal &amp; Jinnah vs Rahmat Ali in Pakistan’s creation (2005)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=171039831125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Saturday, October 31, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>60) Have &#8220;mixed messages&#8221; caused a &#8220;double-bind&#8221; in the US-Pakistan relationship?</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=164051251125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, October 21, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>61) Pakistan’s Kashmir obsession: Sheikh Abdullah Relied In Politics On The French Constitution, Not Islam (Feb 16 2008)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=154064436125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Thursday, October 8, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>62) Two cheers for Pakistan! (April 7 2008)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=154062896125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Thursday, October 8, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>63) What to tell Musharraf: Peace Is Impossible Without Non-Aggressive Pakistani Intentions (Dec 15 2006)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=153985256125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, October 7, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>64) India’s Muslim Voices (Dec 4 2008)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=153977181125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, October 7, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>65) Saving Pakistan: A Physicist/Political Philosopher May Represent Iqbal’s “Spirit of Modern Times” (2007)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=153971996125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, October 7, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>66) The Greatest Pashtun: Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan (1890-1988)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=153812126125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Wednesday, October 7, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>67) Law, Justice and Jammu &amp; Kashmir (2006)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=152464726125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, October 5, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>68) Solving Kashmir: On an Application of Reason (2005)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=152462776125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, October 5, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>69) Understanding Pakistan (2006)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=152348161125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, October 5, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>70) Pakistan&#8217;s Allies (2006)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=152345826125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, October 5, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>71) History of Jammu &amp; Kashmir</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=152343836125</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Monday, October 5, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>and of course, from 20 years ago,</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=164040022284&amp;set=a.136688412284.112038.632437284&amp;type=3&amp;theater</p>
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		<title>On the rot of institutions (and what an Academy might be like in the Facebook/Internet Age): Listening to the ladies&#8230;.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook Aug 31 2011: Subroto Roy has really done what he can, just about, for his country, &#38; has been rewarded by his country&#8217;s government and its &#8220;institution of national importance&#8221; with the most despicable evil. It is a toss-up between whether my personal experience of Indian corruption and vicious state-tyranny is worse than [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=6035&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>From Facebook Aug 31 2011:</em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy</strong> has really done what he can, just about, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQFlX1FIuc&amp;feature=share">for his country</a>, &amp; has been rewarded by his country&#8217;s government and its &#8220;institution of national importance&#8221; with the most despicable evil. It is a toss-up between whether my personal experience of Indian corruption and vicious state-tyranny is worse than my personal experience of bribery and perjury in the federal court system in America.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Andrea Kent</strong> Your bitterness is understandable. Patriotism is rising above appropriate anger toward individuals and continuing to love and serve the nation, even if it is infected by wicked individuals.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy</strong> Yes it is indeed, you are right&#8230;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Andrea Kent </strong> The history of most great nations contains examples of individuals who, though later acknowledged as heroes, were treated shabbily by their respective homelands. It is sad that you are being treated badly, but surely it is just by one institution and its envious employees, rather than by the entire country? At least, I hope this is caused by a small number of wickedly envious people rather than by an established policy of the government.;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy</strong> Corruption is endemic in India&#8230; the matters I exposed some years ago had to do with (a) apparent siphoning off money in building (and purchase) contracts; and (b) apparently abusing the fiduciary interest of students by stealing from their fees to pay for round the world business-class travel, etc.. No, I am not bitter, either about India or about America but yes, as I have said it is a toss-up between whether my personal experience of Indian corruption and vicious state-tyranny is worse than my personal experience of bribery and perjury in the federal court system in America.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Aletha Kuschan </strong> Andrea is right, though, that you were affected by individual actions more, I think, than by the nation as a whole in both instances. I wish that your fine work was getting the lion&#8217;s share of attention and not causing you troubles at all. But ideas have their natural audiences and all too often that audience is located in the future &#8212; as Andrea noted. Keep the faith, Suby. Truth does win out in time. And that really does matter too. Listen to the ladies, Suby &#8230;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy </strong> Thanks Aletha, Andrea. Aletha, re &#8220;Andrea is right, though, that you were affected by individual actions&#8221;, Individualism is of course something I know much about since my Hayek days (Frank Hahn called me 26 years ago &#8220;probably the outstanding young Hayekian&#8221;) but my experience has been mixed. </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>I have had quite long associations with three academic institutions, two in America, one in India. At the first, my academic work was attacked by a gang of what I have called &#8220;inert game theorists&#8221;, game theory being the prevalent fashion at the time, there was an academic freedom issue and I let it be; but on top of that arose the open and blatant sexual harassment of a woman graduate student by the department head, and my helping her, in a very minimal but essential way, contributed to the conflict. I did not fight it more than a bit and left (for BYU, where the Mormons gave me refuge and allowed me to complete my book, almost).</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>The second case, also in America, was one of outrageous collective targeting of my work as an academic and an economist by my national origin, even my purported race and religion, and when I did battle that, having immense faith in the American system, my adversary responded by demonstrated perjury, buying out my attorney (and getting caught doing it), and compromising the federal judge. Not good. Certainly my faith in the American system was shaken but *not* in America herself &#8212; why? because two of the greatest 20th C American economists, Milton Friedman and TW Schultz &#8212; gladly stood for me, and their testimony (ignored by the compromised judge) was far more important than anything else to me. I.e., it was these two American *individuals* (as well as several others less eminent but equally heroic) who allowed my faith in America to continue unshaken even though the personal experience of the institutions had been ghastly.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>The Indian case is wholly different as it is a wholly different political culture for the most part. The issues are cheap and pathetic &#8212; fraudulent academic credentials, stealing money from the government, stealing money from students, stealing others&#8217; property wherever possible in the knowledge you can get away with it, etc.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>There is hardly anything of deep significance involved except it gives the lie to all the government and elite propaganda about how well India is doing &#8212; <a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/">and in that context becomes relevant too what I did in America which came to Rajiv Gandhi through my advice to him in his last months: </a></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Aletha Kuschan</strong> meanwhile, it was Abigail Adams&#8217;s sage advice to &#8220;remember the ladies&#8221;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy</strong> Indeed I do, and follow it; my best buddy, an old lady almost 86, is usually full of sage wisdom these days.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy</strong> What is the solution? <a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/">It is, in my case. what I have said here: &#8220;A friend has been kind enough to call me an Academician, which I probably am, though one who really needs his own Academy because the incompetence, greed and mendacity encountered too often in the modern professoriat is dispiriting.&#8221;</a></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy</strong> And what does such an Academy consist of in the Internet/Facebook Age? Big buildings? Naaaa&#8230;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Aletha Kuschan</strong> What would Socrates do???? WWSD &#8212; for short</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy</strong> Quite so, what would Socrates do? His Academy today would be his Facebook profile and his blog. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Aletha Kuschan</strong> I get to be Plato &#8212; called it first!!</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy</strong> LOL&#8230; Platoletha has a nice ancient ring about it&#8230;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Andrea Kent</strong> I think Aletha would be Πλάτωνίσ, and I would then be Ἀριστοτέλά, your devoted acolytes.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy</strong> LOL&#8230; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I actually was given the Roman name Subius Maximus myself by my buddy Bobbus Fluhartius, aka Bob Fluharty in Charleston WVa..</em></p>
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		<title>Theft of my academic books, papers, notes, student-theses etc from my professorial office at an &#8220;Institution of National Importance&#8221; in India?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook August 11 2011 Subroto Roy is glad to hear on the telephone from the Registrar of the &#8220;Institution of National Importance&#8221; where my professorial office was left in-tact on August 23 2003 that he now agrees my &#8220;personal belongings&#8221; there are not &#8220;Institute property&#8221; and he is making efforts to trace their location. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=6015&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>From Facebook August 11 2011</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy is glad to hear on the telephone from the Registrar of the &#8220;Institution of National Importance&#8221; where my professorial office was left in-tact on August 23 2003 that he now agrees my &#8220;personal belongings&#8221; there are not &#8220;Institute property&#8221; and he is making efforts to trace their location.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">        Arrow and Hahn, General Competitive Analysis, 1971<br />
Bliss, Capital Theory and the Distribution of Income, 1975<br />
Arrow, Collected Works<br />
Burrows and Hitiris, Macroeconomic theory<br />
Allen, Macroeconomics<br />
Henderson and Quandt, Microeconomics<br />
Varian, Microeconomics<br />
Takayama, Mathematical economics<br />
Markowitz, Mean Variance analysis<br />
Bernstein, How futures markets work<br />
Akehurst, Modern introduction to international law<br />
Dumont, Homo heirarchicus<br />
AEA Surveys of economic growth, two volumes<br />
Amartya Sen, Collective Choice and Social Welfare<br />
Amartya Sen, On Economic Inequality<br />
Amartya Sen (ed) Growth Economics<br />
Townsend (ed) Price Theory<br />
Clower (ed) Monetary Theory<br />
Lecture notes in statistics<br />
Lecture notes in econometrics<br />
Lecture notes in mathematical economics<br />
IMF working papers, research monographs<br />
About 16 masters level student theses<br />
About 4 undergraduate BTech level theses&#8230;<br />
Etc etc, a partial reconstruction from memory&#8230;</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>From Facebook August 10 2011:</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>Subroto Roy fears that many of his academic books, papers, lecture notes, student theses, mostly invaluable, even his Cambridge gown, may have been stolen, yes stolen, from his professorial office by a conscious deliberate decision of the administrative authorities of a major academic institution in India, deemed an &#8220;Institution of National Importance&#8221;&#8230;.</em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Sully Augustine Outrageous!</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>Subroto Roy Indeed. I have managed eight years without them and now there is a High Court order for them to be returned to me, but the Registrar of the place tells me on the phone he thinks it became &#8220;Institute property&#8221;&#8230;</em></strong></p>
<p><em><strong>Frank Cowell ‎!</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>Subroto Roy Battling corruption in academia is a painful and exhausting business.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy fears that his precious priceless 1977 copy of <a href="http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2871947">the 1971 edition of Arrow and Hahn</a> has been stolen, yes stolen, by a major academic institution in India, deemed an &#8220;Institution of National Importance&#8221;&#8230;.</strong></em></p>
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		<title>&#8220;Sidney Alexander &amp; I are really the only ones who showed the basic logical contradictions caused by positivism having penetrated economics in the middle of the 20th Century&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Subroto Roy hears from Mr Scott Peterson, &#8220;Dear Professor Roy, I have been reading your book *Philosophy of Economics* and happened to stumble on the following paper:&#8217;Public Finance Texts Cannot Justify Government Taxation&#8217; Walter E. Block (Loyola University New Orleans, Joseph A. Butt, S.J. College of Business) has posted Public Finance Texts Cannot Justify Government [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=6003&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">Subroto Roy hears from Mr Scott Peterson,</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">&#8220;Dear Professor Roy, I have been reading your book *Philosophy of Economics* and happened to stumble on the following paper:&#8217;Public Finance Texts Cannot Justify Government Taxation&#8217; Walter E. Block (Loyola University New Orleans, Joseph A. Butt, S.J. College of Business) has posted Public Finance Texts Cannot Justify Government Taxation: A Critique on SSRN. Here is the abstract: &#8216;In virtually all economic sub-disciplines, practitioners of the dismal science are exceedingly desirous of avoiding normative concerns, at least in principle. These are seen, and rightly so, as extremely treacherous. Being only human, they do sometimes stray off the path of positive analysis; but when they fall off the wagon in this manner, if at all, it is done relatively cautiously, and infrequently. There is one blatant exception to this general rule, however, and that is the field of public finance. Here, in sharp contrast to the usual practice, not only is normative economics embraced, it is done so with alacrity, and without apology. That is, most textbooks on the subject start off with one or several chapters which attempt to justify taxation on moral, efficiency, and other grounds. This occurs in no other field.&#8217;</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">When I read this I immediately thought of your discussion of the normative vs positive approaches in economics. Perhaps the exception economists make regarding public finance is that most economists&#8217; paychecks come from the public sector.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Regards,</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Scott Peterson</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Dear Mr Peterson, Yes indeed. Thanks for the observation. Sidney Alexander and I are really the only ones who showed the basic logical contradictions caused by positivism having penetrated economics in the middle of the 20th Century. Are you at Facebook? Feel free to join me. Cordial regards, Suby Roy</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/my-american-years-1980-96-battling-for-the-freedom-of-my-books/" title="My American years Part I 1980-1990 ">&#8220;&#8230;.Meanwhile, my main work within economic theory, the “Principia Economica” manuscript, was being read by the University of Chicago Press’s five or six anonymous referees. One of them pointed out my argument had been anticipated years earlier in the work of MIT’s Sidney Stuart Alexander. I had no idea of this and was surprised; of course I knew Professor Alexander’s work in balance of payments theory but not in this field. I went to visit Professor Alexander in Boston&#8230;. Professor Alexander was extremely gracious, and immediately declared with great generosity that it was clear to him my arguments in “Principia Economica” had been developed entirely independently of his work. He had come at the problem from an American philosophical tradition of Dewey, I had done so from a British tradition of Wittgenstein. (CS Peirce was probably the bridge between the two.) He and I had arrived at some similar conclusions but we had done so completely independently.&#8221;</a></em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">Professor Alexander, contemporary of PA Samuelson, tutor of RM Solow and many others, deserves far greater attention, and I will do what I can towards that.  He introduced me briefly to his MIT colleague Lester Thurow and I sent an email some time ago to Professor Thurow suggesting MIT should try to remember him better.</p>
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		<title>Brady Bonds for Bengal&#8230;.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook July 11 2011: Subroto Roy introduced the idea, of course momentarily, of Brady Bonds for Bengal some six hours ago, and expects it will become part of policy-discussion in Bengal within six months. From Facebook July 10 2011: Subroto Roy is glad to read of Brady Bonds again &#8212; Mamata Banerjee&#8217;s West Bengal [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5989&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>From Facebook July 11 2011:</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy introduced the idea, of course momentarily, of Brady Bonds for Bengal some six hours ago, and expects it will become part of policy-discussion in Bengal within six months.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>From Facebook July 10 2011:</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy is <a href="http://www.stern.nyu.edu/networks/National_Strategy_for_the_Greek_Sovereign_Debt.pdf">glad to read of Brady Bonds again</a> &#8212; Mamata Banerjee&#8217;s West Bengal needs them too but who is going to explain that much economics to her? Amartya Sen? Or his proteges?</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook June 28 2011: Hindus hear and enjoy the Azan as dusk falls, Muslims walk past and enjoy the smells of Hindu flowers and incense and the sounds of chants and temple bells &#8212; that is India, that is Kolkata, that is Indian secularism&#8230; Revisiting “On Hindus and Muslims” (2009) November 3, 2009 It is [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5969&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>From Facebook June 28 2011: </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>Hindus hear and enjoy the Azan as dusk falls, Muslims walk past and enjoy the smells of Hindu flowers and incense and the sounds of chants and temple bells &#8212; that is India, that is Kolkata, that is Indian secularism&#8230;</em></strong></p>
<h2 style="text-align:justify;">Revisiting “On Hindus and Muslims” (2009)</h2>
<p style="text-align:justify;">November 3, 2009</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">It is four years exactly since I published <a href="http://independentindian.com/2005/11/06/on-hindus-and-muslims/">“On Hindus and Muslims”</a>.   I have had cause to revisit it today while saying at Facebook:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“Subroto Roy does not mind at all that 150 million Muslim Indians have been forbidden by their clergy from singing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vande_Mataram">Vande Mataram</a> — in fact rather sees their point of view. The Supreme Court of India also once upheld the right of two Jehovah’s Witnesses children who declined to sing Jana Gana Mana at school. India is a free country in such respects.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>The Muslim point of view is that Muslim patriotism can be one of *love* for India without having to be one of *worship* of India — worship having to be reserved for Allah alone.<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Hindus, for their part, do not take their own worship quite so seriously, and there is a lot of it — being happy enough to worship the mountains, the seas, the rivers, the birds and beasts and even sometimes other humans too…Or, for that matter, nothing at all…”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“Subroto Roy feels that if he had been Muslim by faith and a believer he may have preferred to live in a society where Muslims are a minority rather than one where almost everyone is Muslim. A Muslim believer allowed to freely practise among a majority of non-Muslims constantly finds faith reaffirmed within every day, whereas in a society where everyone is Muslim the problem always arises as to who is a bad, good or better Muslim.”</em></p>
<h2 style="text-align:justify;">On Hindus and Muslims</h2>
<p style="text-align:justify;">November 6, 2005</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>On Hindus and Muslims</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">by</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Subroto Roy</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">First published in <em>The Statesman</em>, Perspective Page, Nov 6 2005, <a href="http://www.thestatesman.net/">www.thestatesman.net</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The one practical contribution made to India’s polity by the Hindu Mahasabha was to thwart the Sarat Bose/Suhrawardy idea in 1946-1947 of a “United Bengal”, which inevitably would have led to Kolkata andWest Bengal becoming part of Pakistan. The one practical contribution made to India’s polity by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh was to help defend against the Pakistani attack upon Jammu &amp; Kashmir which commenced on 22 October 1947 and included the Rape of Baramulla a few days later. The RSS contribution may have been more than what Sheikh Abdullah and the National Conference or Jawaharlal Nehru and the Government of India cared to admit because it had had an offensive aspect as well; RSS attacks on Muslim civilians in the Mirpur-Pooncharea later formed the basis of Pakistan’s justification for the October 1947 attack and the origins of the “Azad Kashmir” idea. Practical contributions were also made by individuals like Shyama Prosad Mookerjee, who, for example, as a member of Nehru’s Cabinet, responded immediately to information received from a young Government of India officer in Karachi in September 1947, sending ships and Navy frigates from Bombay to retrieve thousands of Hindu refugees in danger of being massacred. The one theoretical contribution made by the Hindutvadi organisations in India has been to establish that it is not a matter of shame and can be a matter of pride to be a Hindu, or, more generally, to be an Indian in the modern world. This is important, even though most RSS and BJP members today may have altogether failed themselves to understand its nature and significance. Indeed, the small handful of Muslims who have been part of their organisations may have understood it rather better.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">To be Muslim, a person has only to believe that God is One and Muhammad is the last of the prophets, i.e. to pronounce the Kalma. Nothing else is either necessary or sufficient. Praying daily, facing Mecca (or Jerusalem before it), going on pilgrimage, fasting during Ramzan, giving to the poor, circumcising boys, polygamy, inducing the modesty of women though seclusion or the veil, have all been part of Muslim practice for ever because they were aspects of the Prophet’s life. But if a Muslim did not pronounce the Kalma, everything else he/she might do is rendered meaningless. The Kalma is necessary and sufficient for Islamic belief. All else is incidental and logically superfluous.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The first half of the Kalma is a commitment to an austere monotheistic ontology; the second half is an oath of fidelity to the Prophet because he was the original exponent of this ontology (in Arabic). Muhammad (572-632 AD) was without a doubt among the greatest of men, as may be measured by his vast impact on human history. His total self-effacement and abhorrence of adulation was signified when at his death it was famously said “If you are worshippers of Muhammad, know that he is dead. If you are worshippers of God, know that God is living and does not die”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Abul Kalam Azad understood well that there was no contradiction between being Muslim by faith and Indian by nationality. “My ancestors came to India from Herat in Babar’s time…” is how he began his autobiography. No one could think Azad anything but a proud Indian nationalist. No one ~ certainly not MA Jinnah ~ could think of Azad as anything but a Muslim and a scholar of Islam. Yet Azad’s respect and admiration (like that of Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan) knew no bounds for the only reformer since Vivekananda that Hinduism has seen in the 20th century: a Congress politician by the name of MK Gandhi,who came to be murdered by Hindu fanatics. By contrast, Jinnah, the political founder of Pakistan, could see Congress only as a Hindu party and Gandhi the Hindu leader using Hindu symbols against whom he was juxtaposed in a struggle for power after the British left: “Congress leaders may shout as much as they like that the Congress is a national body. But …(the) Congress is nothing but a Hindu body,” he declared in 1938. Jinnah’s ambition, and that of the separatist Muslim elite, demanded that they rule themselves in isolation in corners of India.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Throughout the period of Hindu Westernisation in response to the opening to the world presented by the British Raj, the Muslim elite were instead chafing under the idea that an India free of British rule could possibly have Muslims living under governments composed of people who were not “People of the Book” mentioned in the Muslim scriptures. Even if British rule had been almost intolerable in Muslim eyes ~ rendering India’s territory <em>dar-ul-harb</em> at worst or <em>dar-ul-aman</em> at best ~ the British were at least “People of the Book”. After a British departure, rule over Muslims by a Hindu majority, supported by the much-feared Sikhs (“kaffirs with beards” in Muslim popular perception), was felt to be psychologically intolerable. Not only were Hindus, in Muslim eyes, polytheistic believers in idol-worship and practitioners of a caste-system, but everyone knew that the vast majority of India’s Muslims had been themselves converts from the same Hindu social and cultural origins, and there would be constant danger of relapse of Muslims into Hindu beliefs and practices if the country was governed by a Hindu majority. The slogan “Islam in danger” has always had substance in the sense that the faithful have constantly had to mind the dangers of yielding to temptations around them, including scepticism, syncretism and pantheism. Hence, insularity and communalism ~ a psychological circling of the wagons in terms of the American Wild West ~ was a natural political response of Muslims to the Hindu (and Parsee and Christian) modernisation of India in the 19th and 20th centuries.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Such were the implicit unspoken premises driving the Pakistan Movement which Iqbal and Jinnah came to lead in the 20th century. The origins lay in the thoughts and deeds of Shah Wali Allah (1703-1762) and his Arab contemporary in Nejd, Mohammad Ibn Abdal Wahhab, the founder of Wahhabism. It continued with men like Sayyid Ahmed Barelvi(1786-1831), and Titu Mir (1782-1831), until we reach the Islamic “moderniser” Sayyid Ahmed Khan who, while being the founder of Muslim higher education at Aligarh, was also the fountainhead of the separatism that led to the Muslim League’s creation in 1906. “We are an Arab people whose fathers have fallen in exile in the country of Hindustan, and Arabic genealogy and Arabic language are our pride,” Wali Allah had said. Barelvi after him declared: “We must repudiate all those Indian, Persian and Roman customs which are contrary to the Prophet’s teaching.” “In the later 1820s, (Barelvi’s) movement became militant, regarding jihad as one of the basic tenets of faith. Possibly encouraged by the British, with whom the movement did not feel powerful enough to come to grips at the outset, it chose as the venue of jihad the NW frontier of the subcontinent, where it was directed against the Sikhs. Barelvi temporarily succeeded in carving out a small theocratic principality which collapsed owing to the friction between his Pathan and North Indian followers; and he was finally defeated and slain by the Sikhs (at the battle of Balakot) in 1831,” points out Aziz Ahmed, in AL Basham’s <em>A Cultural History of India</em>. Barelvi’s jihadi proto-Pakistan state near Peshawar was named <em>Tariqa-yi Muhammadiya</em>; it may have survived at Sittana until the First World War. Leaving to one side Rahmat Ali’s lonely scheming from England and invention on the top floor of a London bus of the name “PAKSTAN”, such was the genesis of Iqbal and Jinnah’s Muslim state.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Azad, on behalf of scores of millions of Muslim Indians including Sheikh Abdullah and Zakir Hussain and Ghaffar Khan among the most prominent, candidly raised objections to this entire exercise: “I must confess that the very term Pakistan goes against my grain. It suggests that some portions of the world are pure while others are impure. Such a division of territories into pure and impure is un-Islamic and is more in keeping with orthodox Brahmanism which divides men and countries into holy and unholy – a division which is a repudiation of the very spirit of Islam. Islam recognises no such division and the Prophet says `God made the whole world a mosque for me’.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Azad had seen that India is or can be <em>dar-ul-Islam</em> or at least <em>dar-ul-aman</em> and not <em>dar-ul-harb</em>, because the Muslim in this land of ours –bounded by the mountains and the seas, with the rivers in between them, all of which the Hindu finds sacred and imagines to be the home of the Hindu pantheon – is in fact able to practise his/her faith freely despite the majority culture superficially being or seeming to be one which is polytheistic and pantheistic. The majority culture in India has had no theoretical or practical difficulty with the recitation of the Kalma anywhere or anytime in the country. The handful of Muslims in the RSS and BJP today may have understood something of the same. Visiting Pakistanis today are amazed by two things in India: the presence of women in public life and the fact that Muslims are free to practise Islam. Muslims may privately believe their Hindu compatriots or cousins to be hopelessly ignorant of the truth, and vice-versa, but nothing in public life needs to hinge on such mutual beliefs people have aboutone another. That is what was meant when the present author said in the Introduction to <em>Foundations of Pakistan’s Political Economy</em> that Jinnah’s address to Pakistan’s Constituent Assembly was as secular as any that may be found.</p>
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		<title>William E (Ted) James, Dec 21 1951- May 19 2010, friend &amp; collaborator: How we made a little bit of history together</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Professor Roy?”, a smooth baritone asked me on the phone, within a week or so of my entering my Manoa office in the Fall of 1986. “Yes?”, I said, “My name is Ted James, and I was wondering if we could have lunch; I wanted to talk to you about working together on India”. “I [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5889&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">“Professor Roy?”, a smooth baritone asked me on the phone, within a week or so of my entering my Manoa office in the Fall of 1986. “Yes?”, I said, “My name is Ted James, and I was wondering if we could have lunch; I wanted to talk to you about working together on India”. “I thought I’d met everyone in the Department”, said I. “We at the East West Center are a bit of a mysterious bunch”, he joked. Oh so this is the US Govt calling, I said to myself, better watch out. “Well, I’ve published on India already”, I said referring to my IEA monograph which had attracted the leader of the London Times a year and a half earlier, and trying to indicate that I felt I had done my bit for India and did not see myself doing much more. “I know you have, your reputation precedes you, that’s why I thought we should meet”, he said.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">So we met at a nondescript campus café for some stir-fry. Ted was an excessively handsome Southern Californian straight out of Hollywood central casting, and the most unlikely-looking American economist I have ever met. I am 6’ and I think he was perhaps 5’9” but slimmer and more muscular with long blond hair, bright blue eyes, a fabulous magnetic smile, someone who might easily have been a hero in a TV serial or an afternoon soap-opera.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">He wasn’t a film-star though but an economist, though not a nerdy one like myself at the time, and he had a tremendous almost evangelical keenness to not merely comprehend the economic policy-making process of so-called developing countries, especially in Asia, but also change them for the better.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I was 31, Ted must have been about 34 when we first met for that stir-fry lunch. He did indeed know my 1984 work which was enough to win me over as London and Cambridge, or for that matter Blacksburg and Provo from where I had come, seemed very far away from Manoa at the time. Not only did he know my work, he had already referred to it in the references and index and perhaps the notes of a new book he had co-edited on Asian Development, which was remarkable as lags in publication and research were long.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Ted proposed at the lunch that he and I work together on “South Asia”, and that he would get funding from the East West Center. I suggested there was no such place, that “South Asia” was a State Department abstraction, but there were individual and complex countries, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh – and Afghanistan and Nepal too…. He agreed. We would start with working together on the theory of economic policy reform as applied to India and Pakistan first…</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">And so it began…  (Legally speaking the funding came from the State of Hawaii and not the United States Government, from funds owed to the former by the latter.  Of the total budget of some $100,000 I was very miserly and returned 25% of it unspent, an unheard of thing.  Milton Friedman commanded a speaking fee at the time of $10,000, and agreed to our nominal $1000 for a two-day visit on condition we told no one.:)  A Pakistani author was among several Pakistani scholars who thanked me for putting the volume together, as the first time Pakistan had been taken seriously in American academia; he asked me how much it cost, when I said $35,000 for the Pakistan book, he said the IMF would spend that over a  weekend at Bretton Woods and get nothing &#8230;.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/">As described elsewhere, the manuscript of the India-volume contributed to the origins of India’s 1991 economic reform during my encounter with Rajiv Gandhi in his last months</a>; the Pakistan-volume came to contribute to the origins of the Pakistan-India peace process. (&#8220;In 2004 from Britain, I wrote to the 9/11 Commission stating that it was possible that had the vicious illegalities against me not occurred at Manoa starting in 1989, we may have gone on after India and Pakistan to study Afghanistan, and come up with a pre-emptive academic analysis a decade before September 11 2001.&#8221;)</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">I came to know from Ted&#8217;s wife Tess in June that Ted had died of cancer in Manila on May 19 2010 aged 58.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">I said to her and her family  that I do not weep for many but do weep for Ted.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(More to come… this will be a technology-consistent ongoing obituary for my friend and collaborator, which he would have found amusing for sure…)…</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Facebook May 29 2011:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Subroto Roy hears Dr Manmohan Singh said yesterday (to journalists &#8220;on board Air India One&#8221; returning with him from Africa) <em><strong>&#8220;I think industrialisation is essential for the country to solve the problems of unemployment and poverty&#8221;</strong></em>. Nonsense Prime Minister! That is obsolescent or, at the very least, rather quaint Stalinist chatter. Try to provide public goods properly, which means getting the judiciary etc to work well. Try to get the public finances &amp; public decision-making processes right, which means getting govt accounting &amp; audit right and legislatures to work across the country. Try to drastically raise the productivity of public investments and expenditures. And try not to debauch India&#8217;s money any further than you have done. All that may make a good start. (And only when you have done all that do you really need to travel abroad again on &#8220;Air India One&#8221;; that thing the telephone really is a great invention&#8230;)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"> Subroto Roy is scolded by Ms Siddiqui: &#8220;Out of all the corrupt money grabbing racist ministers and governors and politicians you could find only Manmohan Singh to attack? Truly discerning arent you?&#8221;,</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">to which I have to say Hello Ms Siddiqi, Thank you for your comment. It is I am afraid ill-informed. There is nothing personal in my critical assessment of Dr Singh’s economics and politics. To the contrary, he has been in decades past a friend or at least a colleague of my father’s, and in the autumn of 1973 visited our then-home in Paris at the request of my father to advise me, then aged 18, before I embarked on my undergraduate studies at the London School of Economics. My assessments in recent years like “The Politics of Dr Singh” <a href="https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=177565501125" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=177565501125</a>“Assessing Manmohan”<a href="https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=177600651125" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=177600651125</a>, &#8220;The Dream Team: A Critique&#8221; <a href="https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=184178641125" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=184178641125</a> &#8220;Mistaken Macroeconomics&#8221; <a href="https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=179676656125" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=179676656125</a> etc need to be seen along with my “Assessing Vajpayee: Hindutva True and False”, “The Hypocrisy of the CPI-M”, “Against Quackery”, “Our Dismal Politics”, “Political Paralysis” etc.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Nothing personal is intended in any of these; the purpose at hand has been to contribute to a full and vigorous discussion of the public interest in India.</p>
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		<title>Silver Jubilee of “Pricing, Planning &amp; Politics: A Study of Economic Distortions in India”</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[May 29 2009: It is a quarter century precisely today since my monograph Pricing, Planning and Politics: A Study of Economic Distortions in India was first published in London by the Institute of Economic Affairs. Its text is now available (in slightly rough form) at this site here. Now in May 1984, Indira Gandhi ruled [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=97&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>May 29 2009: </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">It is a quarter century precisely today since my monograph <em>Pricing, Planning and Politics: A Study of Economic Distortions in India</em> was first published in London by the Institute of Economic Affairs.</p>
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<p><a href="http://independentindian.com/introduction-and-some-biography/pricing-planning-politics-a-study-of-economic-distortions-in-india-1984/">Its text is now available (in slightly rough form) at this site here</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Now in May 1984, Indira Gandhi ruled in Delhi, and the ghost of Brezhnev was still fresh in Moscow.   The era of Margaret Thatcher in Britain and Ronald Reagan in America was at its height.   <em>Pricing, Planning &amp; Politics</em> emerged from my 1976-1982 doctoral thesis at Cambridge though it came to be written in Blacksburg and Ithaca in 1982-1983.   It was the first critique after BR Shenoy of India’s Sovietesque economics since Jawaharlal Nehru’s time.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>The Times</em>, London&#8217;s most eminent paper at the time, wrote its lead editorial comment about it on the day it was published, May 29 1984.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">It used to take several days for the library at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg to receive its copy of <em>The Times</em> of London and other British newspapers.    I had not been told of the date of publication and did not know of what had happened in London on May 29 until perhaps June 2 &#8212; when a friend, Vasant Dave of a children&#8217;s charity, who was on campus, phoned me and congratulated me for being featured in <em>The Times </em>which he had just read in the University Library.  &#8220;You mean they&#8217;ve reviewed it?&#8221;  I asked him, &#8220;No, it&#8217;s the lead editorial.&#8221; &#8220;What?&#8221; I exclaimed.  There was worse.  Vasant was very soft-spoken and said &#8220;Yes, it&#8217;s titled &#8216;India&#8217;s Bad Example&#8217;&#8221; &#8212; which I misheard on the phone as &#8220;India&#8217;s Mad Example&#8221;  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Drat! I thought (or words to that effect), they must have lambasted me, as I rushed down to the Library to take a look.</p>
<p><em>The Times</em> had said<em> </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>&#8220;When Mr. Dennis Healey in the Commons recently stated that Hongkong, with one per cent of the population of India has twice India&#8217;s trade, he was making an important point about Hongkong but an equally important point about India.   If Hongkong with one per cent of its population and less than 0.03 per cert of India&#8217;s land area (without even water as a natural resource) can so outpace India, there must be something terribly wrong with the way Indian governments have managed their affairs, and there is.   A paper by an Indian economist published today (Pricing, Planning and Politics: A Study of Economic Distortions in India by Subroto Roy, IEA £1.80) shows how Asia&#8217;s largest democracy is gradually being stifled by the imposition of economic policies whose woeful effect and rhetorical unreality find their echo all over the Third World.   As with many of Britain&#8217;s former imperial possessions, the rot set in long before independence.  But as with most of the other former dependencies, the instrument of economic regulation and bureaucratic control set up by the British has been used decisively and expansively to consolidate a statist regime which inhibits free enterprise, minimizes economic success and consolidates the power of government in all spheres of the economy.  We hear little of this side of things when India rattles the borrowing bowl or denigrates her creditors for want of further munificence.  How could Indian officials explain their poor performance relative to Hongkong?  Dr Roy has the answers for them.   He lists the causes as a large and heavily subsidized public sector, labyrinthine control over private enterprise, forcibly depressed agricultural prices, massive import substitution, government monopoly of foreign exchange transactions, artificially overvalued currency and the extensive politicization of the labour market, not to mention the corruption which is an inevitable side effect of an economy which depends on the arbitrament of bureaucrats.  The first Indian government under Nehru took its cue from Nehru&#8217;s admiration of the Soviet economy, which led him to believe that the only policy for India was socialism in which there would be &#8220;no private property except in a restricted sense and the replacement of the private profit system by a higher ideal of cooperative service.&#8221;  Consequently, the Indian government has now either a full monopoly or is one of a few oligipolists in banking, insurance, railways, airlines, cement, steel, chemicals, fertilizers, ship-building, breweries, telephones and wrist-watches.   No businessman can expand his operation while there is any surplus capacity anywhere in that sector.  He needs government approval to modernize, alter his price-structure, or change his labour shift.  It is not surprising that a recent study of those developing countries which account for most manufactured exports from the Third World shows that India&#8217;s share fell from 65 percent in 1953 to 10 per cent in 1973; nor, with the numerous restrictions on inter-state movement of grains, that India has over the years suffered more from an inability to cope with famine than during the Raj when famine drill was centrally organized and skillfully executed without restriction. Nehru&#8217;s attraction for the Soviet model has been inherited by his daughter, Mrs. Gandhi.  Her policies have clearly positioned India more towards the Soviet Union than the West.  The consequences of this, as Dr Roy states, is that a bias can be seen in &#8220;the antipathy and pessimism towards market institutions found among the urban public, and sympathy and optimism to be found for collectivist or statist ones.&#8221;  All that India has to show for it is the delivery of thousands of tanks in exchange for bartered goods, and the erection of steel mills and other heavy industry which help to perpetuate the unfortunate obsession with industrial performance at the expense of agricultural growth and the relief of rural poverty.&#8221;…..</em></p>
<p>I felt this may have been intended to be laudatory but it was also inaccurate and had to be corrected.  I replied dated June 4 which <em>The Times</em> published in their edition of  June 16 1984:</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">I was 29 when <em>Pricing, Planning and Politics</em> was published, I am 54 now. I do not agree with everything I said in it and find the tone a little puffed up as young men tend to be; it was also five years before my main “theoretical” work <em>Philosophy of Economics</em> would be published. My experience of life in the years since has also made me far less sanguine both about human nature and about America than I was then. But I am glad to find I am not embarrassed by what I said then, indeed I am pleased I said what I did in favour of classical liberalism and against statism and totalitarianism well before it became popular to do so after the Berlin Wall fell. (In India as elsewhere, former communist <em>apparatchiks</em> and fellow-travellers became pseudo-liberals overnight.)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The editorial itself may have been due to a conversation between Peter Bauer and William Rees-Mogg, so I later heard. The work sold 700 copies in its first month, a record for the publisher. The wife of one prominent Indian bureaucrat told me in Delhi in December 1988 it had affected her husband’s thinking drastically. A senior public finance economist told me he had been deputed at the Finance Ministry when the editorial appeared, and the Indian High Commission in London had urgently sent a copy of the editorial to the Ministry where it caused a stir. An IMF official told me years later that he saw the editorial on board a flight to India from the USA on the same day, and stopped in London to make a trip to the LSE’s bookshop to purchase a copy. Professor Jagdish Bhagwati of Columbia University had been a critic of aspects of Indian policy; he received a copy  in draft just before it was published and was kind enough to write I had “done an excellent job of setting out the problems afflicting our economic policies, unfortunately government-made problems!”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Siddhartha Shankar Ray told me when  we first met that he had been in London when the editorial appeared and had seen it there; it affected his decision to introduce me to Rajiv Gandhi as warmly as he came to do a half dozen years later.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Within a few months though, by the Fall of 1984, I was under attack by the &#8220;gang of inert game theorists&#8221;  who had come to  Blacksburg following the departure of James Buchanan.  By mid 1985 I had moved to Provo, Utah, really rather wishing, as I recall,  to have left my India-work behind me.  But by late 1986, I was at the University of Hawaii, Manoa, where the perestroika-for-India and Pakistan projects that I and WE James led, had come to be sponsored by the University and the East West Center.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The unpublished results of the India-project reached Rajiv Gandhi by my hand on September 18 1990 as has been told elsewhere.  A week later, on September 25 1990,  Rajiv appointed a small group that included myself, to advise him.  It was that encounter with Rajiv Gandhi that sparked the origins of the 1991 economic reform.  Yet in 2007 one member of the group, declaring himself close to Sonia Gandhi, brazenly lied in public saying it was Manmohan Singh and not I who had been part of the group &#8212; a group of which I had been in fact the first member!  Manmohan Singh himself has never claimed to have been present and in fact was not even in India at the time it was formed.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I have explained elsewhere here why I believe this specific  lie  came to be told by this specific liar who shared membership with me in the group that Rajiv had formed:  because I had also pleaded with  many and especially within this group that Rajiv had seemed, to my layman&#8217;s eyes, very vulnerable to assassination, and none of them had lifted a finger to  do anything about it!  Such is how duplicity, envy and greed for power make people mendacious and venal in politics!</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">As for <em>Pricing, Planning and Politics</em>, Dr Manmohan Singh received a personal copy from my father whom he had long known through the Kaul brothers, Brahma and Madan, both of whom were dear friends of my father since the War and Independence.   From a letter Dr Singh wrote to my father,  he would have received his copy in late 1986 when he was heading the Planning Commission in his penultimate appointment before retirement from the bureaucracy.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Readers of <em>Pricing, Planning and Politics</em> today, 25 years after it was published, may judge for themselves what if any  part of it may be still relevant to the new government that Dr Singh is now prime minister of.   The work was mostly one of applied microeconomics or the theory of value; in recent years I have written much also of applied macroeconomics or the theory of money as it relates to India.  My great professor at Cambridge, Frank Hahn, was kind enough to say in 1985 that he thought my &#8220;critique of Development Economics was powerful not only on methodological but also on economic theory grounds&#8221;; that to me has been a special source of delight.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Subroto Roy, Kolkata</p>
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		<title>Twenty Years Ago Today: March 23 1991 (An Excerpt)</title>
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<p>From Facebook May 22, 1991:  <em>Rajiv Gandhi, assassinated this day 20 years ago, an irreparable loss for India.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">&#8220;On March 23, our group was to meet Rajiv at noon. There was to be an event in the inner lawns of Rajiv’s residence in the morning, where he would launch Krishna Rao’s book on India’s security. Krishna Rao had expressly asked me to come but I had to wait outside the building patiently, not knowing if it was a mistake or if it was deliberate. This was politics after all, and I had ruffled feathers during my short time there. While I waited, Rajiv was speaking to a farmers’ rally being held at grounds adjoining his residence, and there appeared to be thousands of country folk who had gathered to hear him. When it was over, Rajiv, smiling nervously and looking extremely uncomfortable, was hoisted atop people’s shoulders and carried back to the residence by his audience. As I watched, my spine ran cold at the thought that any killer could have assassinated him with ease in that boisterous crowd, right there in the middle of Delhi outside his own residence. It was as if plans for his security had been drawn up without any strategic thinking underlying them.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Krishna Rao arrived and graciously took me inside for his book launch. The event was attended by the Congress’s top brass, including Narasimha Rao whom I met for the first time, as well as foreign military attaches and officers of the Indian armed forces. The attaché of one great power went about shaking hands and handing out his business card to everyone. I stood aside and watched. Delhi felt to me that day like a sieve, as if little could be done without knowledge of the embassies. One side wanted to sell arms, aircraft or ships, while the other wanted trips abroad or jobs or green cards or whatever for their children. And I thought Islamabad would be worse — could India and Pakistan make peace in this fetid ether?</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Proceedings began when Rajiv arrived. This elite audience mobbed him just as the farmers had mobbed him earlier. He saw me and beamed a smile in recognition, and I smiled back but made no attempt to draw near him in the crush. He gave a short very apt speech on the role the United Nations might have in the new post-Gulf War world. Then he launched the book, and left for an investiture at Rashtrapati Bhavan.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">We waited for our meeting with him, which finally happened in the afternoon. Rajiv was plainly at the point of exhaustion and still hard-pressed for time. He seemed pleased to see me and apologized for not talking in the morning. Regarding the March 22 draft, he said he had not read it but that he would be doing so. He said he expected the central focus of the manifesto to be on economic reform, and an economic point of view in foreign policy, and in addition an emphasis on justice and the law courts. I remembered our September 18 conversation and had tried to put in justice and the courts into our draft but had been over-ruled by others. I now said the social returns of investment in the judiciary were high but was drowned out again. Rajiv was clearly agitated that day by the BJP and blurted out he did not really feel he understood what on earth they were on about. He said about his own family, “We’re not religious or anything like that, we don’t pray every day.” I felt again what I had felt before, that here was a tragic hero of India who had not really wished to be more than a happy family man until he reluctantly was made into a national leader against his will. We were with him for an hour or so. As we were leaving, he said quickly at the end of the meeting he wished to see me on my own and would be arranging a meeting. One of our group was staying back to ask him a favour. Just before we left, I managed to say to him what I felt was imperative: “The Iraq situation isn’t as it seems, it’s a lot deeper than it’s been made out to be.” He looked at me with a serious look and said “Yes I know, I know.” It was decided Pitroda would be in touch with each of us in the next 24 hours. During this time Narasimha Rao’s manifesto committee would read the draft and any questions they had would be sent to us. We were supposed to be on call for 24 hours. The call never came. Given the near total lack of system and organization I had seen over the months, I was not surprised. Krishna Rao and I waited another 48 hours, and then each of us left Delhi. Before going I dropped by to see Krishnamurty, and we talked at length. He talked especially about the lack of the idea of teamwork in India. Krishnamurty said he had read everything I had written for the group and learned a lot. I said that managing the economic reform would be a critical job and the difference between success and failure was thin.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I got the afternoon train to Calcutta and before long left for America to bring my son home for his summer holidays with me. In Singapore, the news suddenly said Rajiv Gandhi had been killed. All India wept. What killed him was not merely a singular act of criminal terrorism, but the system of humbug, incompetence and sycophancy that surrounds politics in India and elsewhere. I was numbed by rage and sorrow, and did not return to Delhi. Eleven years later, on 25 May 2002, press reports said “P. V. Narasimha Rao and Manmohan Singh lost their place in Congress history as architects of economic reforms as the Congress High command sponsored an amendment to a resolution that had laid credit at the duo’s door. The motion was moved by…. Digvijay Singh asserting that the reforms were a brainchild of the late Rajiv Gandhi and that the Rao-Singh combine had simply nudged the process forward.” Rajiv’s years in Government, like those of Indira Gandhi, were in fact marked by profligacy and the resource cost of poor macroeconomic policy since bank-nationalisation may be as high as Rs. 125 trillion measured in 1994 rupees. Certainly though it was Rajiv Gandhi as Leader of the Opposition in his last months who was the principal architect of the economic reform that came to begin after his passing&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>An Excerpt from</p>
<p><a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/"><strong><em>Rajiv Gandhi and the Origins of India’s 1991 Economic Reform\</em></strong></a></p>
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		<title>Bengal Government Finances 2003/4 data (from my 2007 article)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Govt. of W. Bengal’s Finances 2003-2004 Rs Billion (Hundred Crore) EXPENDITURE ACTIVITIES: government &#38; local government                           8.68            1.68% judiciary                                                                            1.27            0.25% police (including home guard etc.)                       13.47            2.61% prisons                                                         [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5856&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Govt. of W. Bengal’s Finances 2003-2004</p>
<p>Rs Billion (Hundred Crore)</p>
<p>EXPENDITURE ACTIVITIES:</p>
<p>government &amp; local government                           8.68            1.68%</p>
<p>judiciary                                                                            1.27            0.25%</p>
<p>police (including home guard etc.)                       13.47            2.61%</p>
<p>prisons                                                                               0.62             0.12%</p>
<p>bureaucracy                                                                     5.69            1.10%</p>
<p>collecting land revenue &amp; taxes                                4.32            0.84%</p>
<p>government employee pensions                              26.11           5.05%</p>
<p>schools, colleges, universities, institutes            45.06            8.72%</p>
<p>health, nutrition &amp; family welfare                              14.70           2.84%</p>
<p>water supply &amp; sanitation                                               3.53           0.68%</p>
<p>roads, bridges, transport, etc.                                      8.29           1.60%</p>
<p>electricity (mostly loans to power sector)             31.18           6.03%</p>
<p>irrigation, flood control, environment, ecology 10.78           2.09%</p>
<p>agricultural subsidies, rural development, etc.    7.97            1.54%</p>
<p>industrial subsidies                                                            2.56            0.50%</p>
<p>capital city development                                                 7.29            1.41%</p>
<p>social security, SC, ST, OBC, labour welfare              9.87           1.91%</p>
<p>tourism                                                                                    0.09            0.02%</p>
<p>arts, archaeology, libraries, museums                        0.16            0.03%</p>
<p>miscellaneous                                                                         0.52            0.10%</p>
<p>debt amortization &amp; debt servicing                          314.77          60.89%</p>
<p>total expenditure                                                              516.92</p>
<p>INCOME SOURCES:</p>
<p>tax revenue                                                     141.10</p>
<p>operational income                                          6.06</p>
<p>grants from Union                                            18.93</p>
<p>loans recovered                                                   0.91</p>
<p>total income                                                      167.00</p>
<p>GOVT. BORROWING REQUIREMENT</p>
<p>(total expenditure minus total income )               349.93</p>
<p>financed by:</p>
<p>new public debt issued                                                 339.48</p>
<p>use of Trust Funds etc                                                      10.45</p>
<p>349.93</p>
<p><a href="http://independentindian.com/2007/02/25/bengals-finances/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://independentindian.com/2007/02/25/bengals-finances/</a></p>
<p>From the author’s research 2007 and based on latest available data published by the Comptroller &amp; Auditor General of India</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook, April 27 2011: Subroto Roy reflects on what the role is of a Finance Minister/Treasury/Exchequer head: it is to be, at least, the Chief Financial Officer of the country. And what does a good CFO do? Preserve, if not enhance or at least not worsen, the &#8220;financial condition&#8221; of the entity in his [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5847&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">From Facebook, April 27 2011:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Subroto Roy reflects on what the role is of a Finance Minister/Treasury/Exchequer head: it is to be, at least, the Chief Financial Officer of the country.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">And what does a good CFO do?</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Preserve, if not enhance or at least not worsen, the &#8220;financial condition&#8221; of the entity in his charge, namely, the asset/liability, income/expenditure, and cashflow positions, plus the goodwill etc.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Of course the financial condition of a country&#8217;s Exchequer depends on the financial condition of each and every public entity that adds up to the whole (and less directly on the financial condition of private entities).</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Good Finance Ministers should definitely stay away from TV (waffling on endlessly on TV trying to explain one&#8217;s economic model is a sure sign of an incompetent FM), probably stay away from most conferences, their favourite word has to be &#8220;No&#8221; or perhaps &#8220;No, I&#8217;m sorry&#8221;, their resignations need to be typed, signed &amp; ready in their desk-drawer, only needing to be dated at the top.  The same a fortiori for Central Bank heads (except for the ready-resignation part).</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Florence Nightingale (1820-1910) revolutionized nursing by implementing her slogan &#8220;Whatever else hospitals do, they should not spread  disease&#8221;.</p>
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<p>Economists and Finance Ministers should seek, at least, at a minimum, to do no harm.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook, April 11, 2011 Since the name of Keynes is back to being used somewhat in vain around the world, it may be appropriate to recall Maynard Keynes’s description of his own role-model as an economist, his master Alfred Marshall. “The study of economics does not seem to require any specialised gifts of an [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5837&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">From Facebook, April 11, 2011</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“The study of economics does not seem to require any specialised gifts of an unusually high order.  Is it not, intellectually regarded, a very easy subject compared with the higher branches of philosophy and pure science?  Yet good, or even competent, economists are the rarest of birds.  An easy subject , at which very few excel!  The paradox finds its explanation, perhaps, in that the master-economist must possess a rare *combination* of gifts.  He must reach a high standard in several different directions and must combine talents not often found together.  He must be mathematician, historian, statesman and philosopher — in some degree. He must understand symbols and speak in words. He must contemplate the particular in terms of the general, and touch abstract and concrete in the same flight of thought. He must study the present in the light of the past for the purposes of the future. No part of man’s nature or his institutions must lie entirely outside his regard. He must be purposeful and disinterested in a simultaneous mood: as aloof and incorruptible as an artist, yet sometimes as near the earth as a politician.”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">JM Keynes &#8220;Alfred Marshall, 1842-1924&#8243; in <strong><em>Memorials of Alfred Marshal</em></strong>, edited by AC Pigou, 1925, p. 12.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Keynes himself was trained as and always thought like a mathematician, though he invariably spoke in words about practical realities. Marshall was his master, and so too, to a lesser extent, was his father, Neville Keynes.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook March 26 2011 Mr Chidambaram knows better than that! by Subroto Roy I remain amused by the powers-that-be in Delhi continuing to attempt to deny me credit for the origins of the 1991 economic reform based on the UH-Manoa perestroika-for-India project I had led 1986-1992, and the results of which I brought with [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5242&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>From Facebook March 26 2011 </strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong> Mr Chidambaram knows better than that!</strong></em><br />
<em><strong>by Subroto Roy</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>I remain amused by the powers-that-be in Delhi continuing to attempt to deny me credit for the origins of the 1991 economic reform based on the UH-Manoa perestroika-for-India project I had led 1986-1992, and the results of which I brought with me to my first meeting with Rajiv Gandhi on September 18 1990.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong> After almost a decade of relentless pressure from me for the truth to be told, Rajiv&#8217;s widow on December 28 2009 finally admitted her late husband “left his personal imprint on the (Congress) party’s manifesto of 1991″.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Now yesterday, March 25 2011, Mr Chidambaram has admitted &#8220;The Congress manifesto prepared for the general elections in 1991 did talk about an agenda of reforms but with the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi, there was no certainty that these would have remained on the agenda&#8221;.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Well, Mr Chidambaram, you know better than that!  Did you not yourself say in Tokyo in April 1993 that the reform &#8220;was not miraculous&#8221; but based on &#8220;rewriting of the Congress manifesto while in Opposition. We were ready when we came back to power in 1991&#8243;? (And as for those two former World Bank types with you on the podium yesterday, one was out of the country and cannot possibly claim to have been part of anything, though he had begged me to come to Hawaii and I had said sorry, no; the other, well, perhaps the less said about his capacity for self-delusion the better for India (though his shift from Sovietism to Americanism and his power to waffle endlessly on TV etc is a true bureaucratic marvel). The third man on the podium with you was someone I had tried hard to get to come to Hawaii, upon recommendation of Sukhamoy Chakravarty; but he could not make it; he though has inevitably lost his way for some years now with his wish to stay in Delhi much longer than he should ever have done.)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong> The simple truth is very simple: the positive change in direction of the Congress Party&#8217;s economic and other thinking  occurred due to the Congress President&#8217;s meeting with me on September 18 1990, where I gave him the perestroika-for-India project results and advised him to look to the future and write a fresh and modern manifesto. He agreed with his actions the following week, and subsequently, viz., <a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/">Rajiv Gandhi and the Origins of India&#8217;s 1991 Economic Reform</a></strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong> Later, after his assassination, against which I had warned, the process came to be taken over by the greedy and the mendacious (specifically, organised big business lobbies, big bureaucrats and politicians, Soviet sleeper agents etc). So the truth got lost and has had to be reconstructed slowly.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>(And puleaaase, baba, Manmohan Singh or any of his acolytes had nothing to do with it! Not in the loop! After all, if they had had the creativity and economic knowledge and intellectual honesty and courage, during all their years and decades in the Government of India and sundry international bureaucracies, to do what we did, they would and should have done it!  But there is just no evidence that they did, sorry baba! Time almost to say Uff!)</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong> My colleague Ted James who with me led the Hawaii projects said of it in January 2010 a few months before he tragically died: &#8220;Seldom are significant reforms imposed successfully by international bureaucracies. Most often they are the result of indigenous actors motivated by domestic imperatives. I believe this was the case in India in 1991. It may have been fortuitous that Dr. Roy gained an audience with a receptive Rajiv Gandhi in 1990 but it was not luck that he was prepared with a well-thought out program; this arose from years of careful thought and debate on the matter.&#8221;</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong> Why all this is important is not because I want a national award and due recognition etc, which I won&#8217;t of course mind getting, but because Dr Singh, Mr Chidambaram et al (as well as all the BJP and CPI-M etc people in Delhi too) <a href="http://independentindian.com/2009/06/12/mistaken-macroeconomics-an-open-letter-to-prime-minister-dr-manmohan-singh/">have rather ruined the fisc, the currency and the exchanges&#8230;. It may be hopeless&#8230;.</a></strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>From Facebook December 20 2010</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>Subroto Roy is glad to hear today, for the first time, Dr Manmohan Singh explicitly praise Rajiv Gandhi for chalking out the roadmap of the 1991 economic reform, as Rajiv did thanks to his encounter with the UH-Manoa project I had led since 1986. At last year&#8217;s Congress Party meet, Sonia Gandhi for the first time on Dec 28 2009 said Rajiv “left his personal imprint on the (Congress) party’s manifesto of 1991″. Better late than never.</em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>From Facebook Sep 20 2010<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong><a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/">Subroto  Roy  notes the 20th anniversary just passed over the weekend of Rajiv  Gandhi&#8217;s encounter with the UH-Manoa peresteroika-for-India project that  I had led.<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong><a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/"><em><strong> </strong></em></a></strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong><a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/"><em><strong>On  Sep 18 1990, when Rajiv and I first met, Dr Manmohan Singh was not  physically in India, ending his final assignment before retirement with  Julius Nyerere of Tanzania. </strong></em></a></strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong><a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/"><em><strong>Of  the others whom Rajiv appointed along with myself as advisers a week  later on Sep 25 1990, at least one has recently proved to be mendacious  in print &#8212; stating Manmohan Singh and not I was in the group that got  created on Sep 25 following my single meeting with Rajiv on Sep 18! &#8212;  and I had to expose the mendacity; he has not sued me for calling him a  liar because, of course, truth is a first and full defence against a  charge of defamation!<br />
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<p><em><strong> </strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>National  policy should not float on self-delusion and flattery and myth and  mendacity &#8212; or grave problems like Kashmir and macroeconomic inflation  are the inevitable result.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong> I have met Mrs Sonia Gandhi once in December 1991 when I gave her a  tape of her husband&#8217;s conversations with me during the Gulf War; she  later in 2001 was kind enough to write acknowledging receipt of an  earlier draft of this story.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>From Facebook  (December 29, 2009):</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy is pleased that Sonia Gandhi has finally said, yesterday (December 28 2009), her late husband Rajiv <a href="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Sonia-says-Rajiv-fired-post-1991-reforms--makes-no-mention-of-Rao/560923">&#8220;left his personal imprint on the (Congress) party&#8217;s manifesto of 1991&#8243;</a>. He did &#8212; <a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/">thanks to his encounter with me dated Sep 18 1990 where I gave him a copy of the results of the perestroika-for-India project I had led at a US university since 1986, as well as my May 29 1984 IEA monograph that had provoked the lead editorial of *The Times* of London when first published (based on my Cambridge doctoral thesis under Frank Hahn)</a>.  I was very warmly introduced to Rajiv thanks to Siddhartha Shankar Ray, Bar-at-Law, senior Congress Party politician and my senior counsel in India&#8217;s Supreme Court during a grave international custody battle. The story of my encounter with Rajiv has now been fully told in the Indian newspapers, at my blog/website, and  reproduced in my Notes at Facebook. Perhaps Mrs Gandhi will realise too some time that Manmohan Singh (or any of his prominent acolytes and flatterers among Indian bureaucrats, businessmen and journalists) had nothing to do with the origins of the 1991 reform &#8212; there was a reason I did not invite them to Manoa,<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong><a href="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/friedman-et-al-at-uh-india-conf-198912.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5243" title="friedman-et-al-at-uh-india-conf-19891" src="http://drsubrotoroy.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/friedman-et-al-at-uh-india-conf-198912.jpg?w=300&#038;h=245" alt="" width="300" height="245" /></a></strong><strong>namely, I had felt they had been part of the problem, not the solution.<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Dr Singh and I have met twice and I hold him in high personal regard &#8212; in the late summer of 1973 in Paris he kindly consented to visit our then-home there at my father&#8217;s request to discuss economics with me before I, as an 18 year old, left for my freshman year at the London School of Economics; we ended up having a tense debate on the merits (as he saw them) and demerits (as I saw them) of the Soviet influence on Indian economic policy-making until that time; then we met twenty years later in Washington in the Fall of 1993 when the Indian Ambassador, the same Barrister Ray, introduced me to him as the person on whose laptop the 1991 manifesto had been written. To his credit, he himself has not attributed to himself any of the original economic thought his many flatterers have attributed to him since 1991 though he has not denounced them either, or at least is yet to do so. My rather critical views on his economics and politics are available in the Indian newspapers, my site and now in my Notes at Facebook, e.g. <a href="http://independentindian.com/2009/06/12/mistaken-macroeconomics-an-open-letter-to-prime-minister-dr-manmohan-singh/">&#8220;Mistaken Macroeconomics&#8221;</a> etc.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Update from Facebook July 2, 2010:<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto  Roy has lost count of all the Advisory Councils in New Delhi and whom  they are supposed to be advising or about what. Manmohan Singh has an  &#8220;Economic Advisory Council&#8221; and a &#8220;Trade and Industry Advisory Council&#8221;  besides the &#8220;Planning Commission&#8221; and &#8220;National Development Council&#8221; and  &#8220;National Security Council&#8221; and any number of others for sure. Sonia  Gandhi has the &#8220;National Advisory Council&#8221; <a href="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/NAC-for--universal-entitlements-/641271">who  seem to live in cities but want to talk about rural India; a rural  India where people have always been fully familiar with normal markets  for food and labour yet those markets are now being destroyed or at  least distorted, perhaps incorrigibly</a>. My advice to Rajiv Gandhi 20  years ago based on the perestroika-for-India project I had led at the UH  Manoa was for free (in fact it has cost me a lot personally, so the  price I charged was probably negative) &#8212; and yet, I am bold enough to  say, it remains unsurpassed.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Update from Facebook July 3, 2010: </strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto  Roy  is pleasantly surprised to find a &#8220;senior journalist&#8221; speak a truth  in  today&#8217;s pink business newspaper about the origins of India&#8217;s 1991   economic reform, admitting: &#8220;Nor might the government have been able to   justify liberalisation if it hadn&#8217;t been for the 1991 Congress election   manifesto that Rajiv Gandhi had compiled, but tragically, not lived to   push through.&#8221;   And who got Rajiv to do that? I did. On Sep 18 1990,   based on the University of Hawaii Manoa project I had led since 1986.    Later, the process got corrupted by the greedy and the mendacious. </strong></em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;I returned to Delhi on Monday, March 18, 1991 as new elections had been announced.  Rasgotra said I should be in touch with Krishna Rao, and the next day March 19 Krishna Rao met me for several hours. I told him what I thought were the roots and results of the Gulf war. He in [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5819&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">&#8220;I returned to Delhi on Monday, March 18, 1991 as new elections had been announced.  Rasgotra said I should be in touch with Krishna Rao, and the next day March 19 Krishna Rao met me for several hours. I told him what I thought were the roots and results of the Gulf war. He in turn generously told me what had happened while I had been away. He said the group had met Rajiv in December with the proposal that Rajiv better organize his time by having an “office manager” of larger political stature than George. The name of a UP Congressman of integrity had been put forward, but nothing had come of it. Rajiv had been advised to keep Chandrashekhar in power through the autumn of 1991, as Chandrashekhar was doing Rajiv’s work for him of sidelining V. P. Singh. The idea was to cooperate with Chandrashekhar until he could be pushed up to the Presidency when that fell vacant. Rajiv had been advised not to work in a Chandrashekhar cabinet, though in my opinion, had we been like the Scandinavians, it was not impossible for a former prime minister to enter another cabinet on the right terms in the national interest of providing stable government, which was imperative at the time. Things seem to have slipped out of control when Chandrashekhar resigned. At that point, Rajiv called the group together and instructed them to write a draft of the manifesto for the impending elections. I had advised readiness back in September but the lack of organization had prevented much tangible progress at the time. Our group was to now report to a political manifesto-committee of three senior party leaders who would report to Rajiv. They were Narasimha Rao, Pranab Mukherjee and Madhavsingh Solanki. Krishna Rao liased with Narasimha Rao, Krishnamurty with Mukherjee, Pitroda with Solanki. While Rajiv would obviously lead a new Congress Government, Mukherjee was the presumptive Finance Minister, while Narasimha Rao and Solanki would have major portfolios though Narasimha Rao was expected to retire before too long.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Krishna Rao said I should be in touch with Krishnamurty who was preparing the economic chapters of the draft of the manifesto. Krishnamurty told me he had brought in A. M. Khusro to the group, and there would be a 5 p.m. meeting at Khusro’s office at the Aga Khan Foundation. I arrived early and was delighted to meet Khusro, and he seemed pleased to meet me. Khusro seemed excited by my view that India and Pakistan were spending excessively on defence against each other, which resonated with his own ideas, and he remarked the fiscal disarray in India and Pakistan could start to be set right by mutually agreed cuts in military spending. (Khusro was eventually to accompany Prime Minister Vajpayee to Lahore in 1999).</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Krishnamurty had prepared a draft dated March 18 of several pages of the economic aspects of the manifesto. After our discussions, Krishnamurty was hospitable enough to open the draft to improvement. That evening, the 19th, I worked through the night and the next morning to get by noon copies of a revised version with all the members of the group. At 4 p.m. on the 20th there was a meeting at Andhra Bhavan of the whole group except Pitroda, which went on until the night. The next day the 21st , Krishnamurty, Khusro and I met again at Andhra Bhavan for a few hours on the economic aspects of the draft. Then in mid-afternoon I went to Rasgotra’s home to work with him and Krishna Rao. They wanted me to produce the economic draft which they could then integrate as they wished into the material they were dictating to a typist. I offered instead to absorb their material directly on to my laptop computer where the economic draft was. Rasgotra was reluctant to let go control, and eventually I gave in and said I would get them a hard copy of the economic draft, which they then planned to re-draft via a stenographer on a typewriter. At this, Rasgotra gave in and agreed to my solution. So the work began and the three of us continued until late.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">That night Krishna Rao dropped me at Tughlak Road where I used to stay with friends. In the car I told him, as he was a military man with heavy security cover for himself as a former Governor of J&amp;K, that it seemed to me Rajiv’s security was being unprofessionally handled, that he was vulnerable to a professional assassin. Krishna Rao asked me if I had seen anything specific by way of vulnerability. With John Kennedy and De Gaulle in mind, I said I feared Rajiv was open to a long-distance sniper, especially when he was on his campaign trips around the country.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">This was one of several attempts I made since October 1990 to convey my clear impression to whomever I thought might have an effect that Rajiv seemed to me extremely vulnerable. Rajiv had been on sadhbhavana journeys, back and forth into and out of Delhi. I had heard he was fed up with his security apparatus, and I was not surprised given it seemed at the time rather bureaucratized. It would not have been appropriate for me to tell him directly that he seemed to me to be vulnerable, since I was a newcomer and a complete amateur about security issues, and besides if he agreed he might seem to himself to be cowardly or have to get even closer to his security apparatus. Instead I pressed the subject relentlessly with whomever I could. I suggested specifically two things: (a) that the system in place at Rajiv’s residence and on his itineraries be tested, preferably by some internationally recognized specialists in counter-terrorism; (b) that Rajiv be encouraged to announce a shadow-cabinet. The first would increase the cost of terrorism, the second would reduce the potential political benefit expected by terrorists out to kill him. On the former, it was pleaded that security was a matter being run by the V. P. Singh and then Chandrashekhar Governments at the time. On the latter, it was said that appointing a shadow cabinet might give the appointees the wrong idea, and lead to a challenge to Rajiv’s leadership. This seemed to me wrong, as there was nothing to fear from healthy internal contests for power so long as they were conducted in a structured democratic framework. I pressed to know how public Rajiv’s itinerary was when he travelled. I was told it was known to everyone and that was the only way it could be since Rajiv wanted to be close to the people waiting to see him and had been criticized for being too aloof. This seemed to me totally wrong and I suggested that if Rajiv wanted to be seen as meeting the crowds waiting for him then that should be done by planning to make random stops on the road that his entourage would take. This would at least add some confusion to the planning of potential terrorists out to kill him. When I pressed relentlessly, it was said I should probably speak to “Madame”, i.e. to Mrs. Rajiv Gandhi. That seemed to me highly inappropriate, as I could not be said to be known to her and I should not want to unduly concern her in the event it was I who was completely wrong in my assessment of the danger. The response that it was not in Congress’s hands, that it was the responsibility of the V. P. Singh and later the Chandrashekhar Governments, seemed to me completely irrelevant since Congress in its own interests had a grave responsibility to protect Rajiv Gandhi irrespective of what the Government’s security people were doing or not doing. Rajiv was at the apex of the power structure of the party, and a key symbol of secularism and progress for the entire country. Losing him would be quite irreparable to the party and the country. It shocked me that the assumption was not being made that there were almost certainly professional killers actively out to kill Rajiv Gandhi — this loving family man and hapless pilot of India’s ship of state who did not seem to have wished to make enemies among India’s terrorists but whom the fates had conspired to make a target. The most bizarre and frustrating response I got from several respondents was that I should not mention the matter at all as otherwise the threat would become enlarged and the prospect made more likely! This I later realized was a primitive superstitious response of the same sort as wearing amulets and believing in Ptolemaic astrological charts that assume the Sun goes around the Earth — centuries after Kepler and Copernicus. Perhaps the entry of scientific causality and rationality is where we must begin in the reform of India’s governance and economy. What was especially repugnant after Rajiv’s assassination was to hear it said by his enemies that it marked an end to “dynastic” politics in India. This struck me as being devoid of all sense because the unanswerable reason for protecting Rajiv Gandhi was that we in India, if we are to have any pretensions at all to being a civilized and open democratic society, cannot tolerate terrorism and assassination as means of political change. Either we are constitutional democrats willing to fight for the privileges of a liberal social order, or ours is truly a primitive and savage anarchy concealed beneath a veneer of fake Westernization.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The next day, Friday March 22, I worked from dawn to get the penultimate draft to Krishna Rao before noon as planned the night before. Rasgotra arrived shortly, and the three of us worked until evening to finish the job. I left for an hour to print out copies for a meeting of the entire group, where the draft we were going to submit would come to be decided. When I got back I found Rasgotra had launched an extended and quite unexpected attack on what had been written on economic policy. Would someone like Manmohan Singh, Rasgotra wanted to know, agree with all this talk we were putting in about liberalization and industrial efficiency? I replied I did not know what Manmohan Singh’s response would be but I knew he had been in Africa heading something called the South-South Commission for Julius Nyrere of Tanzania. I said what was needed was a clear forceful statement designed to restore India’s credit-worthiness, and the confidence of international markets. I said that the sort of thing we should aim for was to make clear, e.g. to the IMF’s man in Delhi when that person read the manifesto, that the Congress Party at least knew its economics and was planning to make bold new steps in the direction of progress. I had argued the night before with Rasgotra that on foreign policy we should “go bilateral” with good strong ties with individual countries, and drop all the multilateral hogwash. But I did not wish to enter into a fight on foreign policy which he was writing, so long as the economic policy was left the way we said. Krishnamurty, Khusro and Pitroda came to my defence saying the draft we had done greatly improved on the March 18 draft. For a bare half hour or so with all of us present, the draft was agreed upon. Later that night at Andhra Bhavan, I gave Krishna Rao the final copy of the draft manifesto which he was going to give Narasimha Rao the next day, and sent a copy to Krishnamurty who was liaising with Pranab Mukherjee. Pitroda got a copy on a floppy disc the next day for Solanki.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In its constructive aspects, the March 22 1991 draft of the Congress manifesto went as follows with regard to economic policy: “CHAPTER V AGENDA FOR ECONOMIC ACTION 1. Control of Inflation …. The Congress believes the inflation and price-rise of essential commodities… is a grave macroeconomic problem facing the country today. It has hit worst the poorest and weakest sections of our people and those with fixed incomes like pensioners. The Congress will give highest priority to maintaining the prices of essential commodities, increasing their production and supply using all appropriate economic instruments. 2. Macroeconomic Policy Framework To control inflation of the general price-level, the Congress will provide a predictable long-term policy framework. The average Indian household and business will not have their lives and plans disrupted by sudden changes in economic policy. Coherent monetary policy measures will be defined as called for by the Report of Experts of the Reserve Bank of India in 1985. The Long-Term Fiscal Policy introduced by the Congress Government of 1984-1989 will be revived. Medium and long-term export-import policies will be defined. The basis for a strong India must be a strong economy. The Congress believes a high rate of real growth is essential for securing a strong national defence, social justice and equity, and a civilized standard of living for all. As the party of self-reliance, Congress believes resources for growth must be generated from within our own economy. This means all wasteful and unproductive Government spending has to be cut, and resources transferred from areas of low priority to areas of high national priority. Subsidies have to be rationalized and reduced, and productivity of investments already made has to be improved. The widening gap between revenue receipts and revenue expenditure must be corrected through fiscal discipline, and the growing national debt brought under control as a matter of high priority. These policies in a consistent framework will create the environment for the freeing of the rupee in due course, making it a hard currency of the world of which our nation can be proud. Public resources are not unlimited. These have to be allocated to high priority areas like essential public services, poverty-reduction, strategic sectors, and protection of the interests of the weaker sections of society. Government has to leave to the initiative and enterprise of the people what can be best done by themselves. Government can now progressively vacate some areas of activity to the private, cooperative and non-government sectors. Black money in the parallel economy has become the plague of our economic and political system. This endangers the social and moral fabric of our nation. Artificial price controls, excessive licensing, capacity restrictions, outmoded laws on rent control and urban ceiling, and many other outdated rules and regulations have contributed to pushing many honest citizens into dishonest practices. The Congress will tackle the problem of black money at its roots by attacking all outmoded and retrograde controls, and simplifying procedures in all economic spheres. At the same time, the tax-base of the economy must be increased via simplification and rationalization of tax-rates and coverage, user-fees for public goods, and reduction of taxes wherever possible to improve incentives and stimulate growth. 3. Panchayati Raj India’s farmers and khet mazdoors are the backbone of our economy. Economic development is meaningless until their villages provide them a wholesome rural life. The Congress will revitalize Panchayat Raj institutions to decentralize decision-making, so development can truly benefit local people most effectively. 4. Rural Development Basic economic infrastructure like roads, communications, fresh drinking water, and primary health and education for our children must reach all our villages. The Congress believes such a policy will also relieve pressures from migration on our towns and cities…… Through the Green Revolution which the Congress pioneered over 25 years, our farmers have prospered. Now our larger farmers must volunteer to contribute more to the national endeavour, and hence to greater equity and overall economic development. Equity demands land revenue should be mildly graduated so that small farmers holding less than one acre pay less land revenue per acre…. 9. Education and Health The long-run prosperity of our nation depends on the general state of education, health and well-being of our people. Small families give themselves more choice and control over their own lives. Improving female literacy, promoting the welfare of nursing mothers and reducing infant mortality will have a direct bearing on reducing the birth-rate and improving the health and quality of all our people. Primary and secondary education has high social returns and is the best way in the long-run for achievement of real equality. Efforts will be made to reduce the cost of education for the needy through concessional supply of books and other study materials, scholarships and assistance for transportation and residential facilities. The Congress Party pledges to dedicate itself to promoting education, especially in rural areas and especially for girls and the weaker sections of society. The next Congress Government will prepare and launch a 10-year programme for introduction of free and compulsory primary education for all children of school age. It will continue to emphasize vocational bias in education, integrating it closely with employment opportunities…. 11. Industrial Efficiency Our industrial base in the private and public sectors are the core of our economy. What we have achieved until today has been creditable, and we are self-reliant in many areas. Now the time has come for industry to provide more efficiency and better service and product-quality for the Indian consumer. The public sector has helped the Indian economy since Independence and many national goals have been achieved. Now it has become imperative that the management of public sector units is made effective, and their productivity increased. Major steps must be taken for greater accountability and market-orientation. Failure to do this will make our country lose more and more in the international economy. Budgetary support will be given only for public sector units in the core and infrastructure sectors. Emphasis will be on improving performance and productivity of existing investments, not on creating added organizations or over manning. Units not in the core sector will be privatised gradually. Even in core sectors like Telecommunications, Power, Steel and Coal, incremental needs can be taken care of by the private sector. The Government-Enterprise interface must be properly defined in a White Paper. The Congress believes privatisation must distribute the profits equitably among the people of India. In order to make our public enterprises truly public, it is essential that the shares of many such enterprises are widely held by the members of the general public and workers. Congress pledges to allot a proportion of such shares to the rural Panchayats and Nagarpalikas. This will enhance their asset-base and yield income for their development activities, as well as improve income-distribution. 12. Investment and Trade Indian industry, Government and professional managers are now experienced enough to deal with foreign companies on an equal footing, and channel direct foreign investment in desired directions. Foreign companies often bring access to advanced technological know-how, without which the nation cannot advance. The Congress Government will formulate a pragmatic policy channelling foreign investment into areas important to the national interest. Every effort must be made also to encourage Indians who are outside India to invest in the industry, trade and real estate of their homeland. Because of the protected and inflationary domestic market, Indian industry has become complacent and the incentive for industrial exports has been weakened. When all production is comfortably absorbed at home, Indian industry makes the effort to venture into exports only as a last resort. This must change. A Congress Government will liberalize and deregulate industry to make it competitive and export-oriented, keeping in mind always the interests of the Indian consumer in commercial policy. Export-oriented and predictable commercial policies will be encouraged. Existing procedural constraints and bottlenecks will be removed. Quotas and tariffs will be rationalized. Thrust areas for export-development will be identified and monitored. Efforts will be made to develop a South Asian Community. Trade and economic cooperation among South Asian countries must be increased and simplified.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">This March 22 1991 draft of the Congress’s intended economic policies got circulated and discussed, and from it rumours and opinions appeared that Congress was planning to launch a major economic reform in India. Economic Times said the manifesto “is especially notable for its economic agenda” and Business Standard said “if party manifestos decide election battles” Congress must be “considered home and dry”. A senior IMF official told me three years later the manifesto had indeed seemed a radical and bold move in the direction of progress, which had been exactly our intended effect.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">When I met Manmohan Singh at the residence of S. S. Ray in September 1993 in Washington, Ray told him and his senior aides the Congress manifesto had been written on my computer. Manmohan Singh smiled and said that when Arjun Singh and other senior members of the Congress had challenged him in the cabinet, he had pointed to the manifesto. Yet, oddly enough, while the March 22 draft got discussed and circulated, and the Indian economic reform since July 1991 corresponded in fundamental ways to its contents as reproduced above, the actual published Congress manifesto in April 1991 was as tepid and rhetorical as usual, as if some party hack had before publication put in the usual nonsense about e.g. bringing down inflation via price-controls. Certainly the published manifesto was wholly undistinguished in its economic aspects, and had nothing in it to correspond to the bold change of attitude towards economic policy that actually came to be signalled by the 1991 Government.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">On March 23, our group was to meet Rajiv at noon. There was to be an event in the inner lawns of Rajiv’s residence in the morning, where he would launch Krishna Rao’s book on India’s security. Krishna Rao had expressly asked me to come but I had to wait outside the building patiently, not knowing if it was a mistake or if it was deliberate. This was politics after all, and I had ruffled feathers during my short time there. While I waited, Rajiv was speaking to a farmers’ rally being held at grounds adjoining his residence, and there appeared to be thousands of country folk who had gathered to hear him. When it was over, Rajiv, smiling nervously and looking extremely uncomfortable, was hoisted atop people’s shoulders and carried back to the residence by his audience. As I watched, my spine ran cold at the thought that any killer could have assassinated him with ease in that boisterous crowd, right there in the middle of Delhi outside his own residence. It was as if plans for his security had been drawn up without any strategic thinking underlying them.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Krishna Rao arrived and graciously took me inside for his book launch. The event was attended by the Congress’s top brass, including Narasimha Rao whom I met for the first time, as well as foreign military attaches and officers of the Indian armed forces. The attaché of one great power went about shaking hands and handing out his business card to everyone. I stood aside and watched. Delhi felt to me that day like a sieve, as if little could be done without knowledge of the embassies. One side wanted to sell arms, aircraft or ships, while the other wanted trips abroad or jobs or green cards or whatever for their children. And I thought Islamabad would be worse — could India and Pakistan make peace in this fetid ether?</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Proceedings began when Rajiv arrived. This elite audience mobbed him just as the farmers had mobbed him earlier. He saw me and beamed a smile in recognition, and I smiled back but made no attempt to draw near him in the crush. He gave a short very apt speech on the role the United Nations might have in the new post-Gulf War world. Then he launched the book, and left for an investiture at Rashtrapati Bhavan.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">We waited for our meeting with him, which finally happened in the afternoon. Rajiv was plainly at the point of exhaustion and still hard-pressed for time. He seemed pleased to see me and apologized for not talking in the morning. Regarding the March 22 draft, he said he had not read it but that he would be doing so. He said he expected the central focus of the manifesto to be on economic reform, and an economic point of view in foreign policy, and in addition an emphasis on justice and the law courts. I remembered our September 18 conversation and had tried to put in justice and the courts into our draft but had been over-ruled by others. I now said the social returns of investment in the judiciary were high but was drowned out again. Rajiv was clearly agitated that day by the BJP and blurted out he did not really feel he understood what on earth they were on about. He said about his own family, “We’re not religious or anything like that, we don’t pray every day.” I felt again what I had felt before, that here was a tragic hero of India who had not really wished to be more than a happy family man until he reluctantly was made into a national leader against his will. We were with him for an hour or so. As we were leaving, he said quickly at the end of the meeting he wished to see me on my own and would be arranging a meeting. One of our group was staying back to ask him a favour. Just before we left, I managed to say to him what I felt was imperative: “The Iraq situation isn’t as it seems, it’s a lot deeper than it’s been made out to be.” He looked at me with a serious look and said “Yes I know, I know.” It was decided Pitroda would be in touch with each of us in the next 24 hours. During this time Narasimha Rao’s manifesto committee would read the draft and any questions they had would be sent to us. We were supposed to be on call for 24 hours. The call never came. Given the near total lack of system and organization I had seen over the months, I was not surprised. Krishna Rao and I waited another 48 hours, and then each of us left Delhi. Before going I dropped by to see Krishnamurty, and we talked at length. He talked especially about the lack of the idea of teamwork in India. Krishnamurty said he had read everything I had written for the group and learned a lot. I said that managing the economic reform would be a critical job and the difference between success and failure was thin.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I got the afternoon train to Calcutta and before long left for America to bring my son home for his summer holidays with me. In Singapore, the news suddenly said Rajiv Gandhi had been killed. All India wept. What killed him was not merely a singular act of criminal terrorism, but the system of humbug, incompetence and sycophancy that surrounds politics in India and elsewhere. I was numbed by rage and sorrow, and did not return to Delhi. Eleven years later, on 25 May 2002, press reports said “P. V. Narasimha Rao and Manmohan Singh lost their place in Congress history as architects of economic reforms as the Congress High command sponsored an amendment to a resolution that had laid credit at the duo’s door. The motion was moved by…. Digvijay Singh asserting that the reforms were a brainchild of the late Rajiv Gandhi and that the Rao-Singh combine had simply nudged the process forward.” Rajiv’s years in Government, like those of Indira Gandhi, were in fact marked by profligacy and the resource cost of poor macroeconomic policy since bank-nationalisation may be as high as Rs. 125 trillion measured in 1994 rupees. Certainly though it was Rajiv Gandhi as Leader of the Opposition in his last months who was the principal architect of the economic reform that came to begin after his passing.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Excerpt from <a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/">Rajiv Gandhi and the Origins of India’s 1991 Economic Reform</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook: Subroto Roy regrets getting the sisters&#8217; names wrong earlier; they were not Kulsooma and Yasmin but Akhtara, 19, and Arifa, 17. Their killings by terrorists in Sopore, and that of young Manzoor Ahmad Magray, 22, by the Army in Handwara within the week, mark a tipping point, for myself at least. Subroto Roy [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5790&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy regrets getting the sisters&#8217; names wrong earlier; they were not Kulsooma and Yasmin <a href="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Silence-in-Sopore-after-sisters--killing/747880">but Akhtara, 19, and Arifa, 17. Their killings by terrorists in Sopore</a>, and that of young Manzoor Ahmad Magray, 22, by the Army in Handwara within the week, mark a tipping point, for myself at least.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy reflecting on the Lashkar-e-Toiba killing of the teenage Sopore sisters and the Indian Army killing of Manzoor Ahmad Magray in Handwara, all in one week, is reminded only of: *Where be these enemies?&#8230; See, what a scourge is laid upon your hate,&#8230;all are punish&#8217;d.*</strong></em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">From Facebook:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Subroto Roy says at Seema Mustafa&#8217;s Wall &#8220;Some of these comments seem to be addressed to me in a somewhat ill-mannered way.  I am due to speak in Lahore next month on Kashmir and Pakistan, and have published quite extensively over 20 years perhaps on the subject, apropos the University of Hawaii volume *Foundations of Pakistan&#8217;s Political Economy: Towards an Agenda for the 1990s* etc.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">I am quite happy to engage in any conversation with any shade of opinion from the leader of the United Jehad Council onwards. But discussion needs to be in English not pidgin English or slang, it needs to be polite and well-mannered, and it needs to be as well thought out and well-informed as possible. I may be addressed as Dr Roy or Mr Roy by people I do not know.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy says to Mr Changal</strong>, Apropos your &#8220;@mr roy&#8230;. i hope u carry a message that KASHMIRIS WIL NEVER LIKE TO B A PART OF INDIA&#8221;, I am given to understand that you as an individual have no wish to be an Indian national, which to me is fair enough. A lot of Indian nationals have travelled after all to the USA, Britain etc and there have gone about freely renouncing their Indian nationality and accepting that of another country. May I assume that if you, as an individual, were given such a choice by the Govt of India to formally renounce, on paper, in a private  decision with full security and no fear of repercussions, your Indian nationality, you would do so? You may then become stateless in international law, following which the Govt of India could assist you as an individual to accept the nationality of some other country for which you were eligible, e.g. the Islamic Republic of Iran or the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan or the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. If that went through properly, the Govt of India could also give you full &#8220;Green Card&#8221; or PIO status vis a vis the Indian territory you may wish to live or work etc in.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Ajmal Nazir </strong> ‎@ subroto sir&#8230;..I personally appreciate the kind of efforts you are putting to highlight the meseries that kashmiris are going through. May God succeed you in your efforts . However there are lot of realities that one need to understand before talking about Kashmir.This issue is not a demographical or political issue. This is an human issue where kashmiris suffer. Before going into any discussion , both Pakistan and India should understand that this problems is taking its toll on common kashmiri who is getting killed everyday.  Kashmir is like a beautiful prison where one can survive but cannot live freely. It looks completely normal from outside. But unfortunately you cannot see the fear that is inside the hearts of common people. You cannot see the uncertainty in the minds of those people.I wish you could have feel the fear in the mind of mothers when their kids are outside. I wish you could have feel the fear in the eyes of kids, when they see these indian forces roaming in their fields. There is a check post in every corner of the street, where it is obligatory for us to go through checking. We have to prove our identity in our own homes. It is not happening only on 26th Jan (like it happens in your states ]. It happening everyday, every-hour and every-time.I wish you could feel the fear when we have to go through these checking. Everyday, we have to make sure that we come home before 6:00 pm otherwise you will be picked up and your name will get added into hundrends and thousands of disappeared people. There are so many fake encounters happening in valley that nobody from outside world knows. Try to listen to local news here and there is a separate sections which tells you about the number of people that got killed every 24 hours. In 90&#8242;s that list was always above 20 and there was no such news outside kashmir. There is no such family in kashmir that hasn&#8217;t suffer I am not talking about mental suffering, I am talking about where somebody got killed.I wish you could have seen the pain of those mothers who lost their innocent sons, I wish you could seen the hopelessness in the minds of those fathers, who lost their only sons. There are so many half widows in kashmir, whose husbands were picked by forces and they never came back. they are still waiting for their husbands to return. In every community , there is an orphanage, where you will find the so many orphan kids. i believe you will find the most numbers orphans in kashmir than in any other state. These suffering are not visible from outside.We need to feel like kashmiris to understand these problems You need to take little pain to find the actual realities in kashmir. Every kashmir including our pandiths brothers suffer. KAshmir issue is not the political issue, neither is it regional issue. This is a human issue . This issue is not related to the geographical demographies, it is related with the people who live there.These boundaries are of no meaning for those mothers and fathers, who suffer everyday. If Indian wants kashmir, you have to win the hearts of kashmiris, Treat us like humans, Give us basic human rights . Release kashmiris from this militarized prison. Let us decide what is good for us.. Give us the freedom to express our problems. Let us bring kashmiris youth in your national media and let them discuss this issue. India is a democratic country so i believe everybody has a right to express their feelings.Highlight our miseries and punish the culprits who have killed innocent kashmiris.  How can you justify the killing of those small kids who pelt stones on the streets. Does indian constitution allow killings of kids if they pelt stones. If they damage property, arrest them but how can we kill those small kids.Even some where beaten to death.What about Tufail Matoo who got killed when he was going to tuition classes. He didn;t damage any property. There are so many untold stories in kashmir that nobody knows.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy says to Mr Nazir</strong>, Thank you for the lengthy and pertinent statement which clearly reflects your experience as well as your hopes and fears. I have no hesitation in accepting your saying the situation in recent times has become intolerable for ordinary people. I believe it is the outcome of a process which has evolved over decades in which the peoples and Governments of India, the peoples and Governments of Pakistan, and the peoples and Governments of J&amp;K too, have all contributed. It is something for which *everyone* is responsible, no single person or country or community can be said to be exempt (other than perhaps the gentle people of Laddakh). And all the facts of history and the present have to be understood, and yes felt as well &#8212; each and every clear fact. I hope to show how this may be done during my Lahore lectures next month. Cordial regards and thanking you once more.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy says to Mr Changal</strong>, Thank you for the reply though you may have made a mistake with my identity: I am not Mr Subroto who has been a senior minister in Indonesia, but rather Dr Roy or Mr Roy as you please. No I do not think I am or would want to be blind to any atrocities by armed forces on civilians in any country, my own included. Apropos your statement &#8220;we reject the illegal n forceful occupation of kashmir by the cruel hindu india&#8221;, I shall be glad to hear the basis of your opinion. Re Hindus and Muslims and my opinion thereof, there is a lot of material to be found at my site and among my Notes. Cordially, SR</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Sajad Malik </strong>I just wud humbly like to ask you a question sir, Do you deny the disputed nature of kashmir?</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy </strong>Mr Malik, Thank you for the question. I think it was I who said *twenty years ago*, when I was almost as young as some of you are now &#8220;The core of the continuing dispute between Pakistan and India has been Kashmir, where vast resources have been drained from the budgets of both countries by two large armies facing one another for decades over a disputed boundary&#8221;. I do not think the Govt of Pakistan had used the word &#8220;core&#8221; until that time. Please see p 15 of the book</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy says to Mr Changal</strong>, I cannot know but perhaps you speak from terrible personal experiences as an individual at the hands of governmental machinery; I know what that can be like.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I would agree it is important in this grave and mortal matter to go into the whole history piece by piece, frankly and candidly, with scientific honesty and freedom of inquiry and thought.  That is the only real way to aim for complete agreement across the political spectrum in the subcontinent. Such an agreement is possible too, and the only real way forward for all, especially the people of J&amp;K, your generation and the future. I am sure my Lahore lectures will be public immediately after they are delivered next month, which you may find of interest.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Clearly we have a number of factual questions for one another whose answers may emerge in time. Rape is an evil thing, and I find what you mention is discussed here. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunan_Poshpora_incident" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunan_Poshpora_incident</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Thank you for your comment and suggestion. The solution I have proposed since 2005 is far better than the plebiscite idea you mention. But I am afraid you will have to make a study of my publications here at FB or at my site or in my books, or wait until the Lahore lectures. I also wonder if you are aware that Sheikh Abdullah and Bakshi Ghulam Mohammad *offered a plebiscite* when it was first mentioned in 1948 during the Pashtun tribal invasion from Pakistan but Pakistan balked.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy</strong> says the solution he has proposed since 2005 is far better than the plebiscite idea often mentioned. Many are also unaware that Sheikh Abdullah and Bakshi Ghulam Mohammad *offered a plebiscite* when it was first mentioned in 1948 during the Pashtun tribal invasion from Pakistan but Pakistan balked.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Ganai Danish</strong>:  It was pandit nehru,who in 1952 addressed the public gathering in lal chowk sgr,promised that the people of jk will be given a chance to decide their future whether they want to be part of india or accede with pakistan.It is worth mentioning that it was india itself who took the case of disputed nature of kashmir to UN by passing a resolution in 1948.But 63 years passed, india is yet to fulfull its promise and has mulishly held on to the uncompromising stance that jk is an integral part of india.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy:  Mr Danish</strong>, Thank you for the comment. Pandit Nehru&#8217;s Lal Chowk speech may have been 1947/48 during the Pashtun invasion. There is a small pic at my site here <a rel="nofollow" href="http://independentindian.com/2009/03/28/india-is-not-a-monarchy-and-urgently-needs-to-universalize-the-french-concept-of-citoyen-some-personal-thoughts/" target="_blank">http://independentindian.com/2009/03/28/india-is-not-a-monarchy-and-urgently-needs-to-universalize-the-french-concept-of-citoyen-some-personal-thoughts/</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">By 1952, Sheikh Abdullah had pioneered the J&amp;K Constitution</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Ganai Danish</strong> Respected Dr Roy,1952 or 1948,that isn&#8217;t the question.The question is why india uses its military might to crush our movement.By calling itself the world&#8217;s largest democrac&lt;z&gt;y,its democracy is buried in kashmir.Our movement is indegenious,peaceful,genuine,and non violent and we will take it to its conclusion</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy</strong> Mr Danish, Thank you for the comment. The difference between 1948 and 1952 is vital because that is the time Kashmir *made its decision*, and it was a *democratic* decision led by Sheikh-Sahib who had &#8212; practically single-handedly &#8212; awoken the Muslim masses from their slumber and oppression under the Dogras. Sheikh Abdullah paid the penalty for that most heavily&#8211; being jailed by the Dogras numerous times because of it. But even so I think you have raised a critically important question &#8212; which is how it is that your generation has become so utterly alienated and disaffected with their political experience of repression, war, terrorism etc that they want to free themselves of it.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Ganai Danish </strong> It is very true that late sheikh abdullah traitor fought against dogra rule but he did such a blunder that whatever happened in kashmir since 1989 to 2010,sheikh is responsible for this.He sold kashmir to india and sold the blood of martyrs that were in favour of accession to pakistan.It was the same traitor&#8217;s son farooq abdullah who signed noozle to Shaheed Maqbool bhat,the first martyr of kashmir.It was the same farooq abdullah&#8217;s leadership in 1989 who killed 1 lac kashmiris and brought POTA,AFSPA,PSA and so on in kashmir.It was the same traitors son omer abdullah who killed 112 innocents in kashmir in just 4 months.So far as the imprisonment is concerned.,It is Syed Ali shah geelani,a vetern leader of kashmir,who spent more than 22 years in jail and is still under house arrest.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy says to Mr Danish</strong>, Thanks for this point of view of which I know less than I should. I am glad we have reached a stage so quickly where we may discuss different interpretations of factual events. I reaoet what I have said to Mr Nazir, that I have no hesitation in accepting your saying the situation in recent times has become intolerable for ordinary people. I believe it is the outcome of a process which has evolved over decades in which the peoples and Governments of India, the peoples and Governments of Pakistan, and the peoples and Governments of J&amp;K too, have all contributed. It is something for which *everyone* is responsible, no single person or country or community can be said to be exempt (other than perhaps the gentle people of Laddakh). And all the facts of history and the present have to be understood, and yes felt as well &#8212; each and every clear fact. I hope to show how this may be done during my Lahore lectures next month. Cordial regards and thanking you once more.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Sajad Malik</strong> ‎@ Mr. Roy, you mean Sheikh Abdullah &#8220;offered&#8221; Plebiscite? well this is a news to me; as i am wondering on what authority wud they do that? All i have been knowing till now is, Plebiscite was in the offing, had Nehru not insisted that the tribes men from NWFP leave Kashmir and at the same time Jinnah insisting that for the plebiscite to happen, Indian forces need to be out of kashmir first.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy says to Mr Malik</strong>, Yes, Sheikh Abdullah and Bakshi Ghulam Mohammad *offered* a plebiscite when it was first mentioned and it was the Pakistanis who balked.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Re. &#8220;disputed territory&#8221; and &#8220;core issue&#8221;, as I said yesterday, I do not have to *admit* it because I may have been the first to say so *twenty years ago* when I was almost as young as some of you are now &#8220;The core of the continuing dispute between Pakistan and India has been Kashmir, where vast resources have been drained from the budgets of both countries by two large armies facing one another for decades over a disputed boundary&#8221;. I do not think the Govt of Pakistan had used the word &#8220;core&#8221; until that time. Please see p 15 of the book</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">You may perhaps see that it is a leap of logic from saying Pakistan and India have a disputed boundary to saying as you suggest &#8220;So what is the problem if a Kashmiri asks Azadi sir?&#8221;. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy says to Mr Malik</strong>: Mr Malik, Indeed as I have said Sheikh-Sahib and Bakshi did so; you would have to know how ghastly and vicious the tribal invasion from Pakistan was starting on October 22 1947, and how the Rape of Baramulla had proceeded (with Kashmiri women of all communities, Muslim, Sikh and Hindu, being abducted by lorry en masse to be sold in markets in Peshawar etc), to know that Sheikh Abdullah and Bakshi Ghulam Mohammad could confidently predict the outcome at the time of any such plebiscite, which would explain why Liaquat Ali Khan (who had condemned Sheikh as a &#8220;Quisling of India&#8221;) would have ignored it. I say this having read reports from the original newspapers at the time, and have today asked the editor of that national newspaper to produce a set of reprints of all articles published from, say, the 1946 Cabinet Mission to the Jan-Feb 1949 ceasefire, since all this material is unknown by all the parties, and making it known would contribute to resolving this grave and mortal problem. Do please explain what you mean or Sheikh meant by &#8220;Siyasi Awaragardi&#8221;; also I would certainly be grateful to learn of your view and that of your friends on the history of J&amp;K between, say, 1952 and the 1965 War.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Sajad Malik:</strong> Mr Roy, I have been lately reading a piece done by Haroon Rashid. He pens down all that Kashmiri&#8217;s suffered at the hands of tribesmen..looting and arson, even killing of a lady running a convent. He outrightly rejects rape, (anyway thats altogether a diffrent debate). Sheikh Abdullah, wen released from the prison (Imprisoned by Nehru,for taking the plebscite front) scorned his ownself for taking up Plebscite front and termed it as &#8220;Siyasi-Awaragardi&#8221; (Political Intrigue). For your further enlightment here Mr. Roy;- 1951: Indian holds elections and tries to impose its democratic institution in Kashmir. It is opposed by the United Nations. They pass a resolution to declare elections void and stress on plebiscite. India ignores the opposition blatantly. Sheikh Abdullah wins unopposed and rumors of election rigging plague Kashmiri politics. 1952: Sheikh Abdullah signs the Delhi Agreement on July, 1952. It chalks out state-centre sharing of power and gives abidance to Kashmir to have its own flag. Sheikh Abdullah creates Kashmir centric land reforms which create resentment among the people of Jammu and Ladakh. Delhi Agreement provides the first genuine erosion in international resolution of Kashmir.  Nehru’s Speech: ”On August1952, Jawahar Lal Nehru gives a negating speech contradicting the settlement provided in the Delhi Agreement: “Ultimately &#8211; I say this with all deference to this Parliament &#8211; the decision will be made in the hearts and minds of the men and women of Kashmir; neither in this Parliament, nor in the United Nations nor by anybody else&#8221;  1953-1954: Sheikh Abdullah takes U turns and procrastinates in conforming the accession of Kashmir to India. Sheikh Abdullah is jailed. In August, Bakhshi Ghulam Muhammad is installed in place of Sheikh Abdullah. He officially ratifies Kashmir’s accession with India. On April, 1954, India &amp; Pakistan both agree in appointment of a Plebiscite Administrator.  1956-1957: On 30th October, 1956, J&amp;K Constituent Assembly adopts a fresh constitution, and dissolves the Constituent Assembly, which further defines the relationship of Kashmir with the Indian Dominion. UN strongly condemns the developments and passes a resolution stating such attempts will not result in any final resolution. On 26th January, 1957, the new constitution is made enforceable. Kashmir is now a Republican-Democratic state under Indian Union. 1964: Sheikh Abdullah is released from jail. Jawahar Lal Nehru sends Sheikh Abdullah with a delegation to Pakistan in an effort to find a resolution discourse for Kashmir. In the meantime, masses in Kashmir protest against the implementation of Article 356 &amp; 357, which allows Indian central authority over constituting legislative powers in Kashmir. The special status of Kashmir continues to get eroded. 1965-1971: The nomenclature is changed from ‘Sadr-e-Riyasat’ to Governor and from Prime Minister to Chief Minister. The Governor is now no longer elected locally, and is installed as per the orders of the President of India. This amendment lightens off Kashmir from its special titles. Free &amp; fair elections in the guise of democracy are championed as just causes, and Indian mainstream parties are allowed to contest in the elections. However, these elections aren’t well received by the public. In many cases, international watchdogs accuse India of rigging elections. In 1967, Jammu Autonomy Forum is constituted with the aim of institutionalizing regional autonomy. Excerpts, &#8220;chronology of Kashmir conflict&#8221; by Naveed Qazi&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy says to Mr Sajad Malik</strong>: thank you for this brief chronology which I shall certainly study more carefully. Am I to understand that you and perhaps others with you deny the Rape of Baramullah? Perhaps you mean that the thousands, but thousands, of Kashmiri women of all three communities who were abducted against their will by the tribesmen in lorries and later sold in Peshawar and other markets were not raped but taken in matrimony at their new destinations?</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Sajad Malik</strong>: Mr Roy, I am not denying anything. All I am saying is that Haroon Rashid (BBC) is rejecting it and that I maintain, its a separate debate. The thing which we are discussing here is that India has no legitimate authority over Kashmir. It&#8217;s military might, deciept, savagery has not been able to turn a leaf in Kashmir, despite tens of thousands been killed, despite all the laws it sought from the &#8220;once wicked&#8221; Britian. I am not a political analyst nor a strategist but with full conviction Mr. Roy, m telling you Kashmir can never be India. Smell our land it smells saffron, m not sure what it smells in India. Comment not intended to hurt your or any Indian&#8217;s emotions Mr. Roy. If it inadvertently does, I apologise.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy</strong>: Mr Malik, Thank you; no not at all, there is *absolutely* no need for you to apologise in this discussion for anything. Clearly there are many factual disagreements here, as to what happened precisely, who said and did what precisely, and so on, and an exchange of views and references is always constructive. From what you say, you may find of interest these two articles of mine from 2006; the former is &#8220;History of J&amp;K&#8221; and the latter contains a Brief History of Gilgit too:</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">You may also like to see my FB Note giving Sheikh Abdullah in his own words for you and others to judge, here</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">and also Sheikh-Sahib, and Dr Zakir Hussain and Maulana Azad and others here:</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">Your statement &#8220;Kashmir can never be India&#8221; is perhaps intended to be controversial as it appears to beg the question, though of course you may agree *some* Kashmiris are Indians and wish to be Indians, and I may agree *some* Kashmiris are not Indians and do not wish to be Indians and also *some* Kashmiris are Indians and do not wish to be Indians; there may also be *some* Kashmiris who are not Indians but who wish to be Indians. Cordially.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">Mr Malik, you are quoting from perhaps Dr Zakir Hussain or Sheikh Abdullah, not from my words. Secondly, are you saying Pakistan did not invade J&amp;K in 1947? Britain did? I would agree there was a British-induced coup d&#8217;etat in Gilgit, but I trust you do not deny the whole history of the (then new) Pakistan&#8217;s military and political forces causing the vicious and ghastly Pashtun invasion along the Nowshera Road commencing October 22 1947. Modern Pakistan&#8217;s most eminent historians may agree with me I am afraid as to what happened as a matter of fact! You and I may not be able to progress much with conversation at this rate if our factual histories are so far apart as at present.. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But rest assured, all may become clear after my Lahore lectures next month, or at least all of my analysis and assessment of what happened and prescription of what may be best done now for everyone. I shall try to comment further on your statement later in the day.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Sajad Malik</strong> Sir, I am not saying Britian carried out the invasion *laughs*. All, m saying is, General Gracey was heading the Pak army at the time of invasion and there has been no evidence so far, to establish a link b/n Pak army and the tribes men. I can furnish to you the reference of what I assert. shall inshallah pray for your lahore lecture, and hope our thinking and understanding converge as per the aspirations of me, the prime stake holder..and a kashmiri. (smiles)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Subroto Roy  Mr Malik</strong>, I am grateful for the clarification <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8212; though as I have said, there *was* a British-induced coup in Gilgit, and you may also find my article &#8220;Pakistan&#8217;s Allies&#8221; of interest about the US and UK seeing themselves in battle against the old USSR etc.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Suppose I said to you and your friends that in fact Sheikh-Sahib (and his mentor at the time Jawaharlal Nehru) were influenced by socialism and, at one remove perhaps by Soviet communism &#8212; and *that* is why they were against the Dogra regime?  While the Hurriyat&#8217;s predecessor, Muslim Conference, were *opposed* to Sheikh Abdullah, and because the Dogras were also opposed to Sheikh-Sahib, the Muslim Conference&#8217;s Hamidullah Khan as of May 22-24 1947 said they wanted to not only preserve the Dogra regime but make him an international sovereign so he could be called &#8220;Your Majesty&#8221; instead of merely &#8220;Your Highness&#8221;? <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> !  And in that they were, oddly enough, joined by many in the Hindu and Sikh minorities who saw the Dogras as protecting them from Sheikh Sahib&#8217;s secular majoritarianism, as well as by perhaps British Conservatives like Churchill as well as Mr Jinnah&#8230;. History yields some unusual and paradoxical things&#8230;. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Re your offer to furnish a reference that &#8220;there has been no evidence so far, to establish a link b/n Pak army and the tribesmen&#8221; I would be most grateful for this. The classic work on it has been by the late General Akbar Khan of the Pakistan Army who was an author of the invasion,  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://openlibrary.org/books/OL15997912M/Raiders_in_Kashmir" target="_blank">http://openlibrary.org/books/OL15997912M/Raiders_in_Kashmir</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I have yet to own a copy of this book though am aware of its contents.   I am most grateful for your good wishes for Lahore! I certainly need them, and I assure you, if you send me an email at my site, I shall send you a copy of what I say there as soon as possible after it is said. And indeed, I *completely* agree with you that the ordinary people of J&amp;K of all communities have suffered most from this terrible and awful state of affairs, and their material and moral wellbeing needs most important and urgent relief. Cordially.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I wrote &amp; publicized a document &#8220;An Economic Solution to Kashmir&#8221; in Washington back in 1993, which referred for the first time to ideas of a condominium, an Andorra solution etc&#8230;.This seemed at the time a logical result of the UH Manoa Pakistan project.   But in retrospect it has seemed naive and uninformed.   I&#8217;m afraid I think Mr Kasuri has been overoptimistic about the robustness of the near-agreement he suggests was reached some years ago.  .</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Pakistan and the Theory &#38; Practice of the Islamic State: An Excerpt from the Munir Report of 1954 From REPORT of THE COURT OF INQUIRY constituted under PUNJAB ACT II OF 1954 to enquire into the PUNJAB DISTURBANCES OF 1953 “Munir Report” “ISLAMIC STATE It has been repeatedly said before us that implicit in [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5771&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">From <strong>REPORT of THE COURT OF INQUIRY constituted under PUNJAB ACT II OF 1954 to enquire into the PUNJAB DISTURBANCES OF 1953 “Munir Report”</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“ISLAMIC STATE<br />
It has been repeatedly said before us that implicit in the demand for Pakistan was the demand for an Islamic State. Some speeches of important leaders who were striving for Pakistan undoubtedly lend themselves to this construction. These leaders while referring to an Islamic State or to a State governed by Islamic laws perhaps had in their minds the pattern of a legal structure based on or mixed up with Islamic dogma, personal law, ethics and institutions. No one who has given serious thought to the introduction of a religious State in Pakistan has failed to notice the tremendous difficulties with which any such scheme must be confronted. Even Dr. Muhammad Iqbal, who must be considered to be the first thinker who conceived of the possibility of a consolidated North Western Indian Muslim State, in the course of his presidential address to the Muslim League in 1930 said:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“Nor should the Hindus fear that the creation of autonomous Muslim States will mean the introduction of a kind of religious rule in such States. The principle that each group is entitled to free development on its own lines is not inspired by any feeling of narrow communalism”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">When we come to deal with the question of responsibility we shall have the occasion to point out that the most important of the parties who are now clamouring for the enforcement of the three demands on religious grounds were all against the idea of an Islamic State. Even Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi of Jama’at-i-Islami was of the view that the form of Government in the new Muslim State, if it ever came into existence, could only be secular.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Before the Partition, the first public picture of Pakistan that the Quaid-i-Azam gave to the world was in the course of an interview in New Delhi with Mr. Doon Campbell, Reuter’s Correspondent. The Quaid-i-Azam said that the new State would be a modern democratic State, with sovereignty resting in the people and the members of the new nation having equal rights of citizenship regardless of their religion, caste or creed.  When Pakistan formally appeared on the map, the Quaid-i-Azam in his memorable speech of 11th August 1947 to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, while stating the principle on which the new State was to be founded, said:—</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“All the same, in this division it was impossible to avoid the question of minorities being in one Dominion or the other. Now that was unavoidable. There is no other solution. Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and specially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation, forgetting the past, burying the hatchet, you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that every one of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges and obligations., there<br />
will be no end to the progress you will make.  “I cannot emphasise it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities—the Hindu community and the Muslim community— because even as regards Muslims you have Pathana, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on—will vanish. Indeed if you ask me this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain its freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free peoples long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time but for this (Applause). Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed— that has nothing to do with the business of the State (Hear, hear). As you know, history shows that in England conditions sometime ago were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some States in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days when there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State (Loud applause). The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the Government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist: what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen, of Great Britain and they are all members of the nation. “Now, I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The Quaid-i-Azam was the founder of Pakistan and the occasion on which he thus spoke was the first landmark in the history of Pakistan. The speech was intended both for his own people including non-Muslims and the world, and its object was to define as clearly as possible the ideal to the attainment of which the new State was to devote all its energies. There are repeated references in this speech to the bitterness of the past and an appeal to forget and change the past and to bury the hatchet. The future subject of the State is to be a citizen with equal rights, privileges and obligations, irrespective of colour, caste, creed or community. The word ‘nation’ is used more than once and religion is stated to have nothing to do with the business of the State and to be merely a matter of personal faith for the individual.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">We asked the ulama whether this conception of a State was acceptable to them and everyone of them replied in an unhesitating negative, including the Ahrar and erstwhile Congressites with whom before the Partition this conception was almost a part of their faith.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">If Maulana Amin Ahsan Islahi’s evidence correctly represents the view of  Jama’at-i-Islami, a State based on this idea is the creature of the devil, and he is confirmed in this by several writings of his chief, Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, the founder of the jama’at. None of the ulama can tolerate a State which is based on nationalism and all that it implies; with them millat and all that it connotes can alone be the determining factor in State activity.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The Quaid-i-Azam’s conception of a modern national State, it is alleged, became obsolete with the passing of the Objectives Resolution on 12th March 1949; but it has been freely admitted that this Resolution, though grandiloquent in words, phrases and clauses, is nothing but a hoax and that not only does it not contain even a semblance of the embryo of an Islamic State but its provisions, particularly those relating to fundamental rights, are directly opposed to the principles of an Islamic State.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">FOUNDATIONS OF ISLAMIC STATE<br />
What is then the Islamic State of which everybody talks but nobody thinks?  Before we seek to discover an answer to this question, we must have a clear conception of the scope and function of the State.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The ulama were divided in their opinions when they were asked to cite some precedent of an Islamic State in Muslim history. Thus, though Hafiz Kifayat Husain, the Shia divine, held out as his ideal the form of Government during the Holy Prophet’s time, Maulana Daud Ghaznavi also included in his precedent the days of the Islamic Republic, of Umar bin Abdul Aziz, Salah-ud-Din Ayyubi of Damascus, Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni, Muhammad Tughlaq and Aurangzeb and the present regime in Saudi Arabia.  Most of them, however, relied on the form of Government during the Islamic Republic from 632 to 661 A. D., a period of less than thirty years, though some of them also added the very short period of Umar bin Abdul Aziz.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Abdul Haamid Badayuni stated that the details of the ideal State would be worked out by the ulama while Master Taj-ud-Din Ansari’s confused notion of an Islamic State may be gathered from the following portion of his interrogation :—</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“Q.—Were you also in the Khilafat movement ?<br />
A.—Yes.<br />
Q.—When did the Khilafat movement stop in India ?<br />
A.—In 1923. This was after the Turks had declared their country to be a secular State.<br />
Q.—If you are told that the Khilafat movement continued long after the Turks had abolished Khilafat, will that be correct?<br />
A.—As far as I remember, the Khilafat movement finished with the abolition of the Khilafat by the Turks.<br />
Q.—You are reported to have been a member of the Khilafat movement and having made speeches. Is it correct ?<br />
A.—It could not be correct.<br />
Q.—Was the Congress interested in Khilafat ?<br />
A.— Yes.<br />
Q.—Was Khilafat with you a matter of religious conviction or just a political movement ?<br />
A.— It was purely a religious movement.<br />
Q.— Did the Khilafat movement have the support of Mr. Gandhi ?<br />
A.—Yes.<br />
Q.— What was the object of the Khilafat movement ?<br />
A.— The Britisher was injuring the Khilafat institution in Turkey and the Musalman was aggrieved by this attitude of the Britisher.<br />
Q.— Was not the object of the movement to resuscitate the Khilafat among the    Musalmans ?<br />
A.—No.<br />
Q.— Is Khilafat with you a necessary part of Muslim form of Government ?<br />
A.—Yes.<br />
Q.— Are you, therefore, in favour of having a Khilafat in Pakistan ?<br />
A.—Yes.<br />
Q.— Can there be more than one Khalifa of the Muslims ?<br />
A.— No.<br />
Q.— Will the Khalifa of Pakistan be the Khalifa of all the Muslims of the world ?<br />
A.— He should be but cannot be.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Throughout the three thousand years over which political thought extends, and such thought in its early stages cannot be separated from religion, two questions have invariably presented themselves for consideration : —</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(1) what are the precise functions of the State ? and<br />
(2) who shall control the State ?</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">If the true scope of the activities of the State is the welfare, temporal or spiritual or both of the individual, then the first question directly gives rise to the bigger question:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">What is the object of human life and the ultimate destiny of man ? On this, widely divergent views have prevailed, not at different times but at one and the same time. The pygmies of equatorial West Africa still believe that their God Komba has sent them into the forest to hunt and dance and sing. The Epicureans meant very much the same when they said that the object of human life is to drink and eat and be merry, for death denies such pleasures. The utilitarians base their institutions on the assumption that the object of human life is to experience pleasant sensations of mind and body, irrespective of what is to come hereafter. The Stoics believed in curbing and reducing all physical desires, and Diogenes found a tub good enough to live in. German philosophers think that the individual lives for the State and that therefore the object of life is service of the State in all that it might decide to undertake and achieve. Ancient Hindu philosophers believed in the logic of the fist with its natural consequence, the law of natural selection and the struggle for survival. The Semitic theory of State, whether Jewish, Christian or Islamic, has always held that the object of human life is to prepare ourselves for the next life and that, therefore, prayer and good works are the only object of life. Greek philosophers beginning with Socrates thought that the object of human life was to engage in philosophical meditation with a view to discovering the great truths that lie in nature and that the business of the others is to feed the philosophers engaged in that undertaking.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Islam emphasises the doctrine that life in this world is not the only life given to man but that eternal life begins after the present existence comes to an end, and that the status of a human being in the next world will depend upon his beliefs and actions in this world. As the present life is not an end in itself but merely a means to an end, not only the individual but also the State, as opposed to the secular theory which bases all political and economic institutions on a disregard of their consequences on the next life, should strive for human conduct which ensures for a person better status in the next world.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">According to this theory Islam is the religion which seeks to attain that object. Therefore the question immediately arises : What is Islam and who is a momin or a Muslim ? We put this question to the ulama and we shall presently refer to their answers to this question. But we cannot refrain from saying here that it was a matter of infinite regret to us that the ulama whose first duty should be to have settled views on this subject, were hopelessly disagreed among themselves.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Apart from how these learned divines have expressed themselves, we conceive of Islam as a system that covers, as every systematic religion must, the following five topics :—<br />
(1) the dogma, namely, the essentials of belief ;<br />
(2) the cult, namely, religious rites and observances which a person must<br />
perform ;<br />
(3) ethics, i. e. rules of moral conduct ;<br />
(4) institutions, social, economic and political ; and<br />
(5) law proper.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The essential basis of the rules on all these subjects is revelation and not reason, though both may coincide. This coincidence, however, is accidental because human reasoning may be faulty and ultimate reason is known only to God, Who sends His message to humanity through His chosen messengers for the direction and guidance of the people. One must, therefore, accept the dogma, observe the cult, follow the ethics, obey the law and establish institutions which God has revealed, though their reason may not be apparent—nay even if they be opposed to human reason. Since an error by God is an impossibility, anything that God has revealed, whether its subject be something occult or preternatural, history, finance, law, worship or something which according to human thought admits of scientific treatment as for instance, birth of man, evolution, cosmology, or astronomy, has got to be accepted as absolute truth. The test of reason is not the acid<br />
test and a denial of this amounts to a denial of the supreme wisdom and designs of Allah—it is kufr.  Now God has revealed Himself from time to time to His favoured people of whom our Holy Prophet was the last. That revelation is contained in the Qur’an and covers the five topics mentioned above. The true business of a person who believes in Islam is therefore to understand, believe in and act upon that revelation. The people whom God chooses as medium for the transmission of His messages are rasuls (messengers) or nabis (prophets). Since every action or saying of a prophet is, in the case of our own Holy Prophet it certainly was, prompted by Allah, it has the same degree of inerrancy as the formal revelation itself, because prophets are ma’sum, incapable of doing or saying something which is opposed to Divine wishes. These sayings and actions are sunna having the same infallibility as the Qur’an. The record of this sunna is hadith which is to be found in several books which were compiled by Muslim scholars after long, laborious and careful research extending over several generations.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The word hadith means a record of actions or sayings of the Prophet and his companions. At first the sahaba. i. e. people who had lived in the society of the Prophet, were the best authority for a knowledge of the sunna. Later people had to be content with the communications of the tabi’un, i. e. successors, people of the first generation after the Holy Prophet who had received their information from the sahaba, and then in the following generations with the accounts of the so-called successors of the successors (tabi’ul-tabi’un), i.e. people of the second generation after the Holy Prophet, who had concerted with the successors. Marfu’ is a tradition which contains a statement about the Prophet ; mawquf, a tradition that refers only to the sayings or doings of the sahaba ; and maqtu’ a tradition which does not at most go further back than the first generation after the Holy Prophet and deals only with sayings or doings of tabi’un. In some of the ahadith<br />
the actual word of God is to be found. Any such tradition is designated Hadith-i-Qudsi or Ilahi as distinguished from an ordinary Hadith-i-Nabvi.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">A very large portion of sayings ascribed to the Prophet deals with the ahkam (legal professions), religious obligations, halal and haram (what is allowed and forbidden), with ritual purity, laws regarding food and criminal and civil law. Further they deal with dogma, retribution at the Last Judgment, hell and paradise, angels, creation, revelations, the earlier prophets. Many traditions also contain edifying sayings and moral teachings by the Holy Prophet. The importance of ahadith was realised from the very beginning and they were not only committed to memory but in some cases were reduced to writing. The work of  compilation of hadith began in the third century after the Hijra and the Sihah Sitta were all compiled in that century. These are the musannifs of —<br />
(1) Al-Bukhari, died 256/870,<br />
(2) Muslim, died 261/875,<br />
(3) Abu Dawud, died 275/888,<br />
(4) Al-Tirmizi, died 279/892,<br />
(5) All Nasa’i, died 303/915, and<br />
(6) Ibn-i-Maja, died 273/886.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">According to modern laws of evidence, including our own, the ahadith are inadmissible evidence of sunna because each of them contains several links of hearsay, but as authority on law they are admissible pro prio vigore. The merit of these collections lies not so much in the fact that (as is often wrongly stated) their authors decided for the first time which of the numerous traditions in circulation were genuine and which false but rather in the fact that they brought together everything that was recognised as genuine in orthodox circles in those days.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The Shias judge hadith from their own stand-point and only consider such traditions reliable as are based on the authority of Ali and his adherents. They have, therefore, their own works on the subject and hold the following five works in particularly high esteem—<br />
(1) Al-Kafi of Muhammad b. Yaqub Al-Kulini, died 328/939,<br />
(2) Man La Yastahdiruhu’ul-Fakih of Muhammad b. Ali b. Babuya Al-Kummi,<br />
died 381/991,<br />
(3) Tahdib Al-Ahkam,<br />
(4) Al-Istibsar Fi-Ma’khtalafa Fihi’l-Akhbar (extract from the preceding) of<br />
Muhammad Altusi, died 459/1067, and<br />
(5) Nahj Al-Balagha (alleged sayings of Ali) of Ali b. Tahir Al-Sharif Al-<br />
Murtaza, died 436/1044 (or of his brother Radi Al-Din Al-Baghdadi.)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">After the ritual, the dogma and the most important political and social institutions had taken definite shape in the second and third centuries, there arose a certain communis opinio regarding the reliability of most transmitters of tradition and the value of their statement. The main principles of doctrine had already been established in the writings of Malik b. Anas, Al-Shafi’i and other scholars regarded as authoritative in different circles and mainly on the authority of traditional sayings of the Holy Prophet. In the long run no one dared to doubt the truth of these traditions and this almost conclusive presumption of truth has since continued to be attached to the ahadith compiled in the Sihah Sitta.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">We have so far arrived at this result that any rule on any subject that may be derived from the Qur’an or the sunna of the Holy Prophet is binding on every Musalman. But since the only evidence of sunna is the hadith, the words sunna and hadith have become mixed up with, and indistinguishable from, each other with the result that the expression Qur’an and hadith is not infrequently employed where the intention is to refer to Qur’an and sunna.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">At this stage another principle, equally basic, comes into operation, and that is that Islam is the final religion revealed by God, complete and exhaustive in all respects, and that God will not abrogate, detract from or add to this religion (din) any more than He will send a fresh messenger. The din having been perfected (Akmalto lakum dinokum, Sura V, verse 3), there remains no need for any new code repealing, modifying or amplifying the original code; nor for any fresh messenger or message. In this sense, therefore, prophethood ceased with the Holy Prophet and revelation stopped for ever. This is the doctrine of the cessation of wahi-i-nubuwwat.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">If the proposition that Muslim dogma, ethics and institutions, etc., are all based on the doctrine of inerrancy, whether such inerrancy lies in the Qur’an, the sunna, ijma’ or ijtihad-i-mutlaq, is fully comprehended, the various deductions that follow from it will be easily understandable. As the ultimate test of truth, whether the matter be one of a ritual or political or social or economic nature, is revelation and revelation has to be gathered from the Qur’an, and the sunna carries almost the same degree of inerrancy as revelation and the only evidence of sunna is hadith, the first duty of those who desire to establish an Islamic State will be to discover the precise rule applicable to the existing circumstances whether that rule is to be found in the Qur’an or hadith. Obviously the persons most suited for the purpose would be those who have made the Qur’an and hadith their lifelong study, namely, among the Sunnies, the ulama, and among the Shias, the mujtahids who are the spokesmen of the hidden Imam, the ruler de jure divino. The function of<br />
these divines would be to engage themselves in discovering rules applicable to particular situations and they will be engaged in a task similar to that in which Greek philosophers were engaged, with only this difference that whereas the latter thought that all truth lay in nature which had merely to be discovered by individual effort, the ulama and the mujtahids will have to get at the truth that lies in the holy Book and the books of hadith.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The ulama Board which was recommended by the Basic Principles Committee was a logical recognition of this principle, and the true objection against that Board should indeed have been that the Board was too inadequate a mechanism to implement the principle which had brought that body into existence.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Ijma’ means concurrence of the mujtahids of the people, i.e., of those who have a right, in virtue of knowledge, to form a judgment of their own, after the death of the Holy Prophet. The authority of ijma’ rests on the principle of a divine protection against error and is founded on a basal tradition of the Holy Prophet, “My people will never agree in error”, reported in Ibn Maja, By this procedure points which had been in dispute were fixed, and when fixed, they became an essential part of the faith and disbelief in them an act of unbelief (kufr). The essential point to remember about ijma’ is that it represents the agreement of the mujtahids and that the agreement of the masses is especially excluded.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Thus ijma’ has not only fixed unsettled points but has changed settled doctrines of the greatest importance.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The distinction between ijma’ and ijtihad is that whereas the former is collective, the latter is individual. Ijtihad means the exerting of one’s self to the utmost degree to form an opinion in a case or as to a rule of law. This is done by applying analogy to the Qur’an and the sunna. Ijtihad did not originally involve inerrancy, its result being always zann or fallible opinion. Only combined ijtihad led to ijma, and was inerrant. But this broad ijtihad soon passed into special ijtihad of those who had a peculiar right to form judgments. When later doctors looked back to the founding of the four legal schools, they assigned to their founders an ijtihad of the first rank (ijtihad-i-mutlaq). But from time to time individuals appeared who returned to the earliest meaning of ijtihad and claimed for themselves the right to form their own opinion from first principles. One of these was the Hanbalite Ibn Taimiya (died 728). Another was Suyuti (died 911) in whom the claim to ijtihad unites with one to be the mujaddid or renewer of religion in his century. At every time there must exist at least one mujtahid, was his contention, just as in every century there must come a mujaddid.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In Shia Islam there are still absolute mujtahids because they are regarded as the spokesmen of the hidden Imam. Thus collective ijtihad leads to ijma’, and the basis of ijma’ is divine protection against error—inerrancy.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">ESSENTIALS OF ISLAMIC STATE<br />
Since the basis of Islamic law is the principle of inerrancy of revelation and of the Holy Prophet, the law to be found in the Qur’an and the sunna is above all man-made laws, and in case of conflict between the two, the latter, irrespective of its nature, must yield to the former. Thus, provided there be a rule in the Qur’an or the sunna on a matter which according to our conceptions falls within the region of Constitutional Law or International Law, the rule must be given effect to unless that rule itself permits a departure from it. Thus no distinction exists in Islamic law between Constitutional Law and other law, the whole law to be found in the Qur’an and the sunna being a part of the law of the land for Muslim subjects of the State. Similarly if there be a rule in the Qur’an or the sunna relating to the State’s relations with other States or to the relations of Muslim subjects of the State with other States or the subjects of those States, the rule will have the same superiority of sanction as any other law to be found in the Qur’an or the<br />
sunna.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Therefore if Pakistan is or is intended to be converted into an Islamic State in the<br />
true sense of the word, its Constitution must contain the following five provisions:—</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(1) that all laws to be found in the Qur’an or the sunna shall be deemed to be a<br />
part of the law of the land for Muslims and shall be enforced accordingly;<br />
(2) that unless the Constitution itself is framed by ijma’-i-ummat, namely, by the<br />
agreement of the ulama and mujtahids of acknowledged status, any<br />
provision in the Constitution which is repugnant to the Qur’an or sunna<br />
shall to the extent of the repugnancy be void;<br />
(3) that unless the existing laws of Pakistan are adapted by ijma’-i-ummat of the<br />
kind mentioned above, any provision in the existing law which is contrary<br />
to the Qur’an or sunna shall to the extent of the repugnancy be void;<br />
(4) that any provision in any future law which is repugnant to Qur’an or sunna<br />
shall be void;<br />
(5) that no rule of International Law and no provision in any convention or treaty<br />
to which Pakistan is a party, which is contrary to the Qur’an or the sunna<br />
shall be binding on any Muslim in Pakistan.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">SOVEREIGNTY AND DEMOCRACY IN ISLAMIC STATE<br />
That the form of Government in Pakistan, if that form is to comply with the principles of Islam, will not be democratic is conceded by the ulama. We have already explained the doctrine of sovereignty of the Qur’an and the sunna. The Objectives Resolution rightly recognised this position when it recited that all sovereignty rests with God Almighty alone. But the authors of that Resolution misused the words ‘sovereign’ and ‘democracy’ when they recited that the Constitution to be framed was for a sovereign State in which principles of democracy as enunciated by Islam shall be fully observed.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">It may be that in the context in which they were used, these words could not be misunderstood by those who are well versed in Islamic principles, but both these words were borrowed from western political philosophy and in that sense they were both wrongly used in the Resolution. When it is said that a country is sovereign, the implication is that its people or any other group of persons in it are entitled to conduct the affairs of that country in any way they like and untrammelled by any considerations except those of expediency and policy. An Islamic State, however, cannot in this sense be sovereign, because it will not be competent to abrogate, repeal or do away with any law in the Qur’an or the sunna. Absolute restriction on the legislative power of a State is a restriction on the sovereignty of the people of that State and if the origin of this restriction lies elsewhere than in the will of the people, then to the extent of that restriction the sovereignty of the State and its people is necessarily taken away. In an Islamic State, sovereignty, in its essentially juristic sense, can only rest with Allah. In the same way, democracy means the rule of the demos, namely, the people, directly by them as in ancient Greece and Rome, or indirectly through chosen representatives as in modern democracies. If the power of the people in the framing of the Constitution or in the framing of the laws or in the sphere of executive action is subject to certain immutable rules, it cannot be said that they can pass any law that they like, or, in the exercise of executive functions, do whatever they like. Indeed if the legislature in an Islamic State is a sort of ijma’, the masses are expressly disqualified from taking part in it because ijma’-i-ummat in Islamic jurisprudence is restricted to ulama and mujtahids of acknowledged status and does not at all extend, as in democracy, to the populace.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">OTHER INCIDENTS OF ISLAMIC STATE ACCORDING TO ULAMA<br />
In the preceding pages we have attempted to state as clearly as we could the principles on which a religious State must be built if it is to be called an Islamic State. We now proceed to state some incidents of such State, with particular reference to the ulamas’ conception of it.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">LEGISLATURE AND LEGISLATION<br />
Legislature in its present sense is unknown to the Islamic system. The religiopolitical system which is called din-i-Islam is a complete system which contains in itself the mechanism for discovering and applying law to any situation that may arise. During the Islamic Republic there was no legislature in its modern sense and for every situation or emergency that arose law could be discovered and applied by the ulama. The law had been made and was not to be made, the only function of those entrusted with the administration of law being to discover the law for the purposes of the particular case, though when enunciated and applied it formed a precedent for others to follow. It is wholly incorrect, as has been suggested from certain quarters, that in a country like Pakistan, which consists of different communities, Muslim and non-Muslim, and where representation is allowed to non-Muslims with a right to vote on every subject that comes up, the legislature is a form of ijma’ or ijtihad, the reason being that ijtihad is not collective but only individual, and though ijma’ is collective, there is no place in it for those who are not experts in the knowledge of the law. This principle at once rules out the infidels (kuffar) whether they be people of Scriptures (ahl-i-kitab) or idolators (mushrikeen).</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Since Islam is a perfect religion containing laws, express or derivable by ijma’ or ijtihad, governing the whole field of human activity, there is in it no sanction for what may, in the modern sense, be called legislation.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Questioned on this point Maulana Abul Hasanat, President, Jami’at-ul-Ulama-i-Pakistan says :—</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“Q.—Is the institution of legislature as distinguished from the institution of a<br />
person or body of persons entrusted with the interpretation of law, an<br />
integral part of an Islamic State?<br />
A.—No. Our law is complete and merely requires interpretation by those who are<br />
experts in it. According to my belief no question can arise the law relating<br />
to which cannot be discovered from the Qur’an or the hadith.<br />
Q.—Who were Sahib-ul-hall-i-wal-aqd<br />
A.—They were the distinguished ulama of the time. These persons attained their<br />
status by reason of the knowledge of the law. They were not in any way<br />
analogous or similar to the legislature in modern democracy.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The same view was expressed by Amir-i-Shari’at Sayyad Ata Ullah Shah Bukhari<br />
in one of his speeches reported in the ‘Azad’ of 22nd April, 1947, in the course of which he said that our din is complete and perfect and that it amounts to kufr to make more laws.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, however, is of the opinion that legislation in the true sense is possible in an Islamic State on matters which are not covered by the Qur’an, the sunna, or previous ijma’ and he has attempted to explain his point by reference to the institution of a body of persons whom the Holy Prophet, and after him the khulafa consulted on all matters relating to affairs of State. The question is one of some difficulty and great importance because any institution of legislature will have to be reconciled with the claim put forward by Maulana Abul Hasanat and some other religious divines that Islam is a perfect and exhaustive code wide enough to furnish an answer to any question that may arise relating to any human activity, and that it does not know of any “unoccupied field” to be filled by fresh legislation. There is no doubt that Islam enjoins consultation and that not only the Holy Prophet but also the first four caliphs and even their successors resorted to consultation with the leading men of the time, who for their knowledge of the law and piety could well be relied upon.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In the inquiry not much has been disclosed about the Majlis-i-Shura except what is contained in Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi’s written  statement which he supplied to the Court at its request. That there was a body of men who were consulted is true, but whether this was a standing body and whether its advice had any legal or binding force, seems somewhat doubtful. These men were certainly not elected in the modern way, though their representative character cannot be disputed.  Their advice was certainly asked ad hoc, but that they were competent to make law as the modern legislatures make laws is certainly not correct. The decisions taken by them undoubtedly served as precedents and were in the nature of ijma’, which is not legislation but the application of an existing law to a particular case. When consulted in affairs of State, their functions were truly in the nature of an advice given by a modern cabinet but such advice is not law but only a decision.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Nor can the legislature in a modern State correspond to ijma’ because as we have already pointed out, the legislature legislates while the ulama of Majlis-i-Shura who were called upon to determine what should be the decision on a particular point which was not covered by the Qur’an and the sunna, merely sought to discover and apply the law and not to promulgate the law, though the decision when taken had to be taken not only for the purposes of the particular case but for subsequent occasions as a binding precedent.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">An intriguing situation might arise if the Constitution Act provided that any provision of it, if it was inconsistent with the Qur’an or the sunna, would be void, and the intra vires of a law made by the legislature were questioned before the Supreme Court on the ground that the institution of legislature itself was contrary to the Qur’an and the sunna.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">POSITION OF NON-MUSLIMS<br />
The ground on which the removal of Chaudhri Zafrullah Khan and other Ahmadis occupying key positions in the State is demanded is that the Ahmadis are non-Muslims and that therefore like zimmies in an Islamic State they are not eligible for appointment to higher offices in the State. This aspect of the demands has directly raised a question about the position of non-Muslims in Pakistan if we are to have an Islamic Constitution.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">According to the leading ulama the position of non-Muslims in the Islamic State of Pakistan will be that of zimmies and they will not be full citizens of Pakistan because they will not have the same rights as Muslims They will have no voice in the making of the law, no right to administer the law and no right to hold public offices.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">A full statement of this position will be found in the evidence of Maulana Abul Hasanat Sayyad Muhammad Ahmad Qadri, Maulana Ahmad Ali, Mian Tufail Muhammad and Maulana Abdul Haamid Badayuni. Maulana Abul Hasanat on being questioned on the subject stated as follows :—</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“Q.—If we were to have an Islamic State in Pakistan, what will be the position of the kuffar (non-Muslims)? Will they have a voice in the making of laws, the right of administering the law and the right to hold public offices?<br />
A.—Their position will be that of zimmies. They will have no voice in the making of laws, no right to administer the law and no right to hold public offices.<br />
Q.—In an Islamic State can the head of the State delegate any part of his powers to kuffar?<br />
A.—No.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Ahmad Ali, when questioned, said:—<br />
“Q.—if we were to have an Islamic State in Pakistan, what will be the position of the kuffar? Will they have a hand in the making of the law, the right to administer the law and the right to hold public offices ?<br />
A.—Their position will be that of zimmies. They will have no say in the making of law and no right to administer the law. Government may, however, permit them to hold any public office”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Mian Tufail Muhammad stated as follows :—<br />
“Q.—Read the article on minorities’ rights in the ‘Civil and Military Gazette’ of 13th October, 1953, and say whether it correctly represents your view of an Islamic State? (It was stated in the articles that minorities would have the same rights as Muslims).<br />
A.—I have read this article and do not acknowledge these rights for the Christians or other non-Muslims in Pakistan if the State is founded on the ideology of the Jama’at”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The confusion on this point in the mind of Maulana Abdul Haamid Badayuni, President, Jami’at-ul-Ulama-i-Pakistan, is apparent from the following: —</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“Q.—Have you ever read the aforesaid speech (the speech of the Quaid-i-Azam to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan on 11th August, 1947)?<br />
A.—Yes, I have read that speech.<br />
Q.—Do you still agree with the conception of Pakistan that the Quaid-i-Azam presented to the Constituent Assembly in this speech in which he said that thereafter there would be only one Pakistan nation, consisting of Muslims and non-Muslims, having equal civic rights, without any distinction of race, religion or creed and that religion would be merely a private affair of the individual ?<br />
A.—I accept the principle that all communities, whether Muslims or non-Muslims, should have, according to their population, proper representation in the administration of the State and legislation, except that non-Muslims cannot be taken in the army or the judiciary or be appointed as Ministers or to other posts involving the reposing of confidence.<br />
Q.—Are you suggesting that the position of non-Muslims would be that of zimmies or any better ?<br />
A.—No. By zimmies are meant non-Muslim people of lands which have been conquered by an Islamic State, and the word is not applicable to non-Muslim minorities already living in an Islamic State. Such minorities are called mu’ahids, i.e. those people with whom some agreement has been made.<br />
Q.—What will be their status if there is no agreement with them ?<br />
A.—In that case such communities cannot have any rights of citizenship.<br />
Q.—Will the non-Muslim communities inhabiting Pakistan be called by you as mu’ahids?<br />
A.—No, not in the absence of an agreement with them. To my knowledge there is no such agreement with such communities in Pakistan.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">So, according to the evidence of this learned divine, the non-Muslims of Pakistan will neither be citizens nor will they have the status of zimmies or of mu’ahids. During the Islamic Republic, the head of the State, the khalifa, was chosen by a system of election, which was wholly different from the present system of election based on adult or any other form of popular suffrage. The oath of allegiance (ba’it) rendered to him possessed a sacramental virtue, and on his being chosen by the consensus of the people (ijma’-ul-ummat) he became the source of all channels of legitimate Government.  He and he alone then was competent to rule, though he could delegate his powers to deputies and collect around him a body of men of outstanding piety and learning, called  Majlis-i-Shura or Ahl-ul-Hall-i-wal-Aqd. The principal feature of this system was that the kuffar, for reasons which are too obvious and need not be stated, could not be admitted to this majlis and the power which had vested in the khalifa could not be delegated to the kuffar. The khalifa was the real head of the State, all power vesting in him and not a powerless individual like the President of a modern democratic State who is merely to sign the record of decisions taken by the Prime Minister and his Cabinet. He could not appoint non-Muslims to important posts, and could give them no place either in the interpretation or the administration of the law, the making of the law by them, as already pointed out, being a legal impossibility.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">This being the position, the State will have to devise some machinery by which the distinction between a Muslim and a non-Muslim may be determined and its consequences enforced. The question, therefore, whether a person is or is not a Muslim will be of fundamental importance, and it was for this reason that we asked most of the leading ulama, to give their definition of a Muslim, the point being that if the ulama of the various sects believed the Ahmadis to be kafirs, they must have been quite clear in their minds not only about the grounds of such belief but also about the definition of a Muslim because the claim that a certain person or community is not within the pale of Islam implies on the part of the claimant an exact conception of what a Muslim is. The result of this part of the inquiry, however, has been anything but satisfactory, and if considerable confusion exists in the minds of our ulama on such a simple matter, one can easily imagine what the differences on more complicated matters will be. Below we reproduce the definition of a Muslim given by each alim in his own words. This definition was asked after it had been clearly explained to each witness that he was required to give the irreducible minimum conditions which, a person must satisfy to be entitled to be called a Muslim and that the definition was to be on the principle on which a term in grammar is defined.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Here is the result : —</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Abul Hasanat Muhammad Ahmad Qadri, President, Jami’at-ul-Ulamai-<br />
Pakistan —<br />
“Q.— What is the definition of a Muslim ?<br />
A — (1) He must believe in the Unity of God.<br />
(2) He must believe in the prophet of Islam to be a true prophet as well as in all other prophets who have preceded him,<br />
(3) He must believe in the Holy Prophet of Islam as the last of the prophets (khatam-un-nabiyin).<br />
(4) He must believe in the Qur’an as it was revealed by God to the Holy<br />
Prophet of Islam.<br />
(5) He must believe as binding on him the injunctions of the Prophet of<br />
Islam.<br />
(6) He must believe in the qiyamat.<br />
Q.—Is a tarik-us-salat a Muslim ?<br />
A.—Yes, but not a munkir-us-salat”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Ahmad Ali, President, Jami’at-ul-Ulama-i-Islam, Maghribi Pakistan —<br />
“Q.— Please define a Muslim ?<br />
A.—A person is a Muslim if he believes (1) in the Qur’an and (2) what has been said by the prophet. Any person who possesses these two qualifications is entitled to be called a Muslim without his being required to believe in anything more or to do anything more.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, Amir Jama’at-i-Islami —<br />
“Q.—Please define a Muslim ?<br />
A.—A person is a Muslim if he believes (1) in tauheed, (2) in all the prophets (ambiya), (3) all the books revealed by God, (4) in mala’ika (angels), and (5) yaum-ul-akhira (the Day of Judgment).<br />
Q.—Is a mere profession of belief in these articles sufficient to entitle a man<br />
to call himself a Musalman and to be treated as a Musalman in an Islamic State ?<br />
A.—Yes.<br />
Q.—If a person says that he believes in all these things, does any one have a right to question the existence of his belief ?<br />
A.—The five requisites that I have mentioned above are fundamental and any alteration in anyone of these articles will take him out of the pale of Islam.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Ghazi Siraj-ud-Din Munir—<br />
“Q.—Please define a Muslim ?<br />
A.—I consider a man to be a Muslim if he professes his belief in the kalima, namely, La Ilaha Illalah-o-Muhammad-ur-Rasulullah, and leads a life in the footsteps of the Holy Prophet.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Mufti Muhammad Idris, Jamia Ashrafia, Nila Gumbad, Lahore—<br />
“Q.—Please give the definition of a Musalman ?<br />
A.—The word ‘Musalman’ is a Persian one. There is a distinction between the word ‘Musalman’ which is a Persian word for Muslim and the word ‘momin’. It is impossible for me to give a complete definition of the word ‘momin’. I would require pages and pages to describe what a momin is. A person is a Muslim who professes to be obedient to Allah. He should believe in the Unity of God, prophethood of the ambiya and in the Day of Judgment. A person who does not believe in the azan or in the qurbani goes outside the pale of Islam. Similarly, there are a large number of other things which have been received by tavatir from our prophet. In order to be a Muslim, he must believe in all these things. It is almost impossible for me to give a complete list of such things.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Hafiz Kifayat Hussain, Idara-i-Haquq-i-Tahaffuz-i-Shia—<br />
“Q.—Who is a Musalman?<br />
A.—A person is entitled to be called a Musalman if he believes in (1) tauheed, (2) nubuwwat and (3) qiyamat. These are the three fundamental beliefs which a person must profess to be called a Musalman. In regard to these three basic doctrines there is no difference between the Shias and the Sunnies. Besides the belief in these three doctrines, there are other things called ‘zarooriyat-i-din’ which a person must comply with in order to be entitled to be called a Musalman. These will take me two days to define and enumerate. But as an illustration I might state that the respect for the Holy Book, wajoob-i-nimaz, wajoob-i-roza, wajoob-i-hajj-ma’a-sharait, and other things too numerous to mention, are among the ‘zarooriyat-i-din’ ”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Abdul Hamid Badayuni, President, Jami’at-ul-Ulama-i-Pakistan :<br />
“Q.—Who is a Musalman according to you ?<br />
A.—A person who believes in the zarooriyat-i-din is called a momin and every momin is entitled to be called a Musalman.<br />
Q.—What are these zarooriyat-i-din ?<br />
A.—A person who believes in the five pillars of Islam and who believes in the rasalat of our Holy Prophet fulfils the zarooriyat-i-din.<br />
Q.—Have other actions, apart from the five arakan, anything to do with a man being a Muslim or being outside the pale of Islam?<br />
(Note—Witness has been explained that by actions are meant those rules of moral conduct which in modern society are accepted as correct.)<br />
A.—Certainly.<br />
Q.—Then you will not call a person a Muslim who believes in arakan-ikhamsa and the rasalat of the prophet but who steals other peoples’ things, embezzles property entrusted to him, has an evil eye on his neighbour’s wife and is guilty of the grossest ingratitude to his benefector?<br />
A.—Such a person, if he has the belief already indicated, will be a Muslim despite all this”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Muhammad Ali Kandhalvi, Darush-Shahabia, Sialkot —<br />
“Q.—Please define a Musalman?<br />
A.—A person who in obedience to the commands of the prophet performs all the zarooriyat-i-din is a Musalman.<br />
Q.—Can you define zarooriyat-i-din ?<br />
A.—Zarooriyat-i-din are those requirements which are known to every Muslim irrespective of his religious knowledge.<br />
Q.—Can you enumerate zarooriyat-i-din ?<br />
A.—These are too numerous to be mentioned. I myself cannot enumerate these zarooriyat. Some of the zarooriyat-i-din may be mentioned as salat, saum, etc.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Amin Ahsan Islahi —<br />
“Q.—Who is a Musalman?<br />
A.—There are two kinds of Musalmans, a political (siyasi) Musalman and a real (haqiqi) Musalman. In order to be called a political Musalman, a person must:<br />
(1) believe in the Unity of God,<br />
(2) believe in our Holy Prophet being khatam-un-nabiyin, i.e., ‘final<br />
authority’ in all matters relating to the life of that person,<br />
(3) believe that all good and evil comes from Allah,<br />
(4) believe in the Day of Judgment,<br />
(5) believe in the Qur’an to be the last book revealed by Allah,<br />
(6) perform the annual pilgrimage to Mecca,<br />
(7) pay the zaka’at,<br />
(8) say his prayers like the Musalmans,<br />
(9) observe all apparent rules of Islami mu’ashira, and<br />
(10) observe the fast (saum).</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">If a person satisfies all these conditions he is entitled to the rights of a full citizen of an Islamic State. If any one of these conditions is not satisfied, the person concerned will not be a political Musalman. (Again said) It would be enough for a person to be a Musalman if he merely professes his belief in these ten matters irrespective of whether he puts them into practice or not. In order to be a real Musalman, a person must believe in and act on all the injunctions by Allah and his prophet in the manner in which they have been enjoined upon him.<br />
Q.—Will you say that only the real Musalman is ‘mard-i-saleh’ ?<br />
A.—Yes.<br />
Q.—do we understand you aright that in the case of what you have called a political (siyasi) Musalman, belief alone is necessary, while in the case of a haqiqi Musalman there must not only be belief but also action?<br />
A.—No, you have not understood me aright. Even in the case of a political (siyasi) Musalman action is necessary but what I mean to say is that if a person does not act upon the belief that is necessary in the case of such a Musalman, he will not be outside the pale of a political (siyasi) Musalman.<br />
Q.—If a political (siyasi) Musalman does not believe in things which you<br />
have stated to be necessary, will you call such a person be-din ?<br />
A.—No, I will call him merely be-amal”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The definition by the Sadr Anjuman Ahmadiya, Rabwah, in its written statement<br />
is that a Muslim is a person who belongs to the ummat of the Holy Prophet and professes belief in kalima-i-tayyaba.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Keeping in view the several definitions given by the ulama, need we make any comment except that no two learned divines are agreed on this fundamental. If we attempt our own definition as each learned divine has done and that definition differs from that given by all others, we unanimously go out of the fold of Islam. And if we adopt the definition given by any one of the ulama, we remain Muslims according to the view of that alim but kafirs according to the definition of every one else.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">APOSTASY<br />
Apostasy in an Islamic State is punishable with death. On this the ulama are practically unanimous (vide the evidence of Maulana Abul Hasanat Sayyad Muhammad Ahmad Qadri, President, Jami’at-ul-Ulama-i-Pakistan, Punjab; Maulana Ahmad Ali, Sadr Jami’at-ul-Ulama-i-Islam, West Pakistan; Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, founder and ex-Amir-i-Jama’at-i-Islami, Pakistan; Mufti Muhammad Idris, Jami’Ashrafia, Lahore, and Member, Jami’at-ul-Ulama-i-Pakistan; Maulana Daud Ghaznavi, President, Jami’at-i-Ahl-i-Hadith, Maghribi Pakistan; Maulana Abdul Haleem Qasimi, Jami’at-ul-Ulama-i-Islam, Punjab; and Mr. Ibrahim Ali Chishti). According to this doctrine, Chaudhri Zafrullah Khan, if he has not inherited his present religious beliefs but has voluntarily elected to be an Ahmadi, must be put to death. And the same fate should befall Deobandis and Wahabis, including Maulana Muhammad Shafi Deobandi, Member, Board of Talimat-i-Islami attached to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, and Maulana Daud Ghaznavi, if Maulana Abul Hasanat Sayyad Muhammad Ahmad Qadri or Mirza Raza Ahmad Khan Barelvi, or any one of the numerous ulama who are shown perched on every leaf of a beautiful tree in the fatwa, Ex. D. E. 14, were the head of such Islamic State. And if Maulana Muhammad Shafi Deobandi were the head of the State, he would exclude those who have pronounced Deobandis as kafirs from the pale of Islam and inflict on them the death penalty if they come within the definition of murtadd, namely, if they have changed and not inherited their religious views.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The genuineness of the fatwa, Ex. D. E. 13, by the Deobandis which says that Asna Ashari Shias are kafirs and murtadds, was questioned in the course of enquiry, but Maulana Muhammad Shafi made an inquiry on the subject from Deoband, and received from the records of that institution the copy of a fatwa signed by all the teachers of the Darul Uloom including Maulana Muhammad Shafi himself which is to the effect that those who do not believe in the sahabiyyat of Hazrat Siddiq Akbar and who are qazif of Hazrat Aisha Siddiqa and have been guilty of tehrif of Qur’an are kafirs. This opinion is also supported by Mr. Ibrahim Ali Chishti who has studied and knows his subject. He thinks the Shias are kafirs because they believe that Hazrat Ali shared the prophethood with our Holy Prophet. He refused to answer the question whether a person who being a Sunni changes his view and agrees with the Shia view would be guilty of irtidad so as to deserve the death penalty. According to the Shias all Sunnis are kafirs, and Ahl-i-Qur’an; namely, persons who consider hadith to be unreliable and therefore not binding, are unanimously kafirs and so are all independent thinkers. The net result of all this is that neither Shias nor Sunnis nor Deobandis nor Ahl-i-Hadith nor Barelvis are Muslims and any change from one view to the other must be accompanied in an Islamic State with the penalty of death if the Government of the State is in the hands of the party which considers the other party to be kafirs. And it does not require much imagination to judge of the consequences of this doctrine when it is remembered that no two ulama have agreed before us as to the definition of a Muslim. If the constituents of each of the definitions given by the ulama are given effect to, and subjected to the rule of ‘combination and permutation’ and the form of charge in the Inquisition’s sentence on Galileo is adopted mutatis mutandis as a model, the grounds on which a person may be indicted for apostasy will be too numerous to count.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In an earlier part of the report we have referred to the proscription of the ‘Ashshahab’, a pamphlet written by Maulana Shabbir Ahmad Usmani who later became Sheikh-ul-Islam-i-Pakistan. In that pamphlet the Maulana had attempted to show from the Qur’an, the sunna, the ijma’ and qayas that in Islam the punishment for apostasy (irtidad) simpliciter is death. After propounding the theological doctrine the Maulana had made in that document a statement of fact that in the time of the Caliph Siddiq-i-Akbar and the subsequent Caliphs vast areas of Arabia became repeatedly red with the blood of apostates. We are not called upon to express any opinion as to the correctness or otherwise of this doctrine but knowing that the suggestion to the Punjab Government to proscribe this pamphlet had come from the Minister for the Interior we have attempted to inquire of ourselves the reasons for Government’s taking a step which ex hypothesi amounted to condemning a doctrine which the Maulana had professed to derive from the Qur’an and the sunna. The death penalty for irtidad has implications of a far-reaching character and stamps Islam as a religion of fanatics, which punishes all independent thinking. The Qur’an again and again lays emphasis on reason and thought, advises toleration and preaches against compulsion in religious matters but the doctrine of irtidad<br />
as enunciated in this pamphlet strikes at the very root of independent thinking when it propounds the view that anyone who, being born a Muslim or having embraced Islam, attempts to think on the subject of religion with a view, if he comes to that conclusion, to choose for himself any religion he likes, has the capital penalty in store for him. With this implication Islam becomes an embodiment of complete intellectual paralysis. And the statement in the pamphlet that vast areas of Arabia were repeatedly bespattered with human blood, if true, could only lend itself to this inference that even when Islam was at the height of its splendour and held absolute sway in Arabia there were in that country a large number of people who turned away from that religion and preferred to die than to<br />
remain in that system. It must have been some such reaction of this pamphlet on the mind of the Minister for the Interior which prompted him to advise the Punjab Government to proscribe the pamphlet. Further the Minister who was himself well-versed in religious matters must have thought that the conclusion drawn by the author of the pamphlet which was principally based on the precedent mentioned in paras. 26, 27 and 28 of the Old Testament and which is only partially referred to in the Qur’an in the 54th verse of the Second Sura, could not be applicable to apostasy from Islam and that therefore the author’s opinion was in fact incorrect, there being no express text in the Qur’an for the death penalty for apostasy. On the contrary each of the two ideas, one underlying the six brief verses of Surat-ul-Kafiroon and the other the La Ikrah verse of the second Sura, has merely to be understood to reject as erroneous the view propounded in the ‘Ash-Shahab’.<br />
Each of the verses in Surat-ul-Kafiroon which contains thirty words and no verse of<br />
which exceeds six words, brings out a fundamental trait in man engrained in him since his creation while the La Ikrah verse, the relevant portion of which contains only nine words, states the rule of responsibility of the mind with a precision that cannot be surpassed. Both of these texts which are an early part of the Revelation are, individually and collectively, the foundation of that principle which human society, after centuries of conflict, hatred and bloodshed, has adopted in defining one of the most important fundamental rights of man. But our doctors would never dissociate chauvinism from Islam.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">PROPAGATION OF OTHER RELIGIONS<br />
Closely allied to the punishment for apostasy is the right of non-Muslims publicly to preach their religion. The principle which punishes an apostate with death must be applicable to public preaching of kufr and it is admitted by Maulana Abul Hasanat, Ghazi Siraj-ud-Din Munir and Master Taj-ud-Din Ansari, though the last subordinates his opinion to the opinion of the ulama, that any faith other than Islam will not be permitted publicly to be preached in the State. And Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, as will appear from his pamphlet ‘Punishment in Islam for an apostate’, has the same views on the subject.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Ghazi Siraj-ud-Din Munir, when questioned on this point, replied :—<br />
“Q.—What will you do with them (Ahmadis) if you were the head of the<br />
Pakistan State ?<br />
A.—I would tolerate them as human beings but will not allow them the right<br />
to preach their religion”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The prohibition against public preaching of any non-Muslim religion must logically follow from the proposition that apostasy will be punished with death and that any attack on, or danger to Islam will be treated as treason and punished in the same way as apostasy.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">JIHAD<br />
Earlier we have pointed out that one of the doctrines on which the Musalmans and Ahmadis are at variance is that of jihad. This doctrine at once raises a host of other allied matters such as the meanings of ghazi, shahid, jihad-bis-saif, jihad fi sabili’llah, dar-ul-Islam, dar-ul-harb, hijrat, ghanima, khums and slavery, and the conflict or reconciliation of these conceptions with modern international problems such as aggression, genocide, international criminal jurisdiction, international conventions and rules of public international law.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">An Islamic State is dar-ul-Islam, namely, a country where ordinances of Islam are<br />
established and which is under the rule of a Muslim sovereign. Its inhabitants are<br />
Muslims and also non-Muslims who have submitted to Muslim control and who under<br />
certain restrictions and without the possibility of full citizenship are guaranteed their lives and property by the Muslim State. They must, however, be people of Scriptures and may not be idolaters. An Islamic State is in theory perpetually at war with the neighbouring non-Muslim country, which at any time may become dar-ul-harb, in which case it is the duty of the Muslims of that country to leave it and to come over to the country of their brethren in faith. We put this aspect to Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi and reproduce his views :—</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“Q.—is a country on the border of dar-ul-Islam always qua an Islamic State<br />
in the position of dar-ul-harb ?<br />
A.—No. In the absence of an agreement to the contrary, the Islamic State will be potentially at war with the non-Muslim neighbouring country. The non-Muslim country acquires the status of dar-ul-harb only after the Islamic State declares a formal war against it”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">According to Ghias-ul-Lughat, dar-ul-harb is a country belonging to infidels which has not been subdued by Islam, and the consequences of a country becoming darul-harb are thus stated in the Shorter Encyclopaedia of Islam :—</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“When a country does become a dar-ul-harb, it is the duty of all Muslims to<br />
withdraw from it, and a wife who refuses to accompany her husband in<br />
this, is ipso facto divorced”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Thus in case of a war between India and Pakistan, if the latter is an Islamic State, we must be prepared to receive forty million Muslims from across the border into Pakistan.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In fact, Maulana Abdul Haamid Badayuni, President, Jami’at-ul-Ulama-i- Pakistan, thinks that a case for hijrat already exists for the Musalmans of India.  The following is his view on this subject :—<br />
“Q.—Do yon call your migration to Pakistan as hijrat in the religious sense ?<br />
A.—Yes”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">We shall presently point out why Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s version of the doctrine of jihad is relied on as a ground for his and his community’s kufr, but before we do that it is necessary first to state how jihad has been or is understood by the Musalmans. There are various theories about jihad which vary from the crude notion of a megalomaniac moved by religious frenzy going out armed with sword and indiscriminately slaughtering non-Muslims in the belief that if he dies in the combat he becomes a shahid and if he succeeds in killing attains the status of a ghazi, to the conception that a Musalman throughout his life is pitted against kufr, kufr here being used in the sense of evil and wrong, and that his principal activity in life is to strive by argument a where necessary by force to spread Islam until it becomes a world religion. In the latter case he fights not for any personal end but because he considers such strife as a duty and an obligation which he owes to Allah and the only recompense for which is the pleasure of Allah. The Shorter Encyclopedia of Islam contains the following brief article on djihad :—<br />
“DJIHAD (A), holy war. The spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon<br />
Muslims in general. It narrowly escaped being a sixth rukn, or fundamental duty, and is indeed still so regarded by the descendants of the Kharidjis. This position was reached gradually but quickly. In the Meccan Suras of the Qur’an patience under attack is taught ; no other attitude was possible. But at Medina the right to repel attack appears, and gradually it became a prescribed duty to fight against and subdue the hostile Meccans.<br />
Whether Muhammad himself recognised that his position implied steady and unprovoked war against the unbelieving world until it was subdued to Islam may be in doubt. Traditions are explicit on the point ; but the Qur’anic passages speak always of the unbelievers who are to be subdued as dangerous or faithless. Still, the story of his writing to the powers around him shows that such a universal position was implicit in his mind, and it certainly developed immediately after his death, when the Muslim armies advanced out of Arabia. It is now a fard ala’l-kifaya, a duty in general on all male, free, adult Muslims, sane in mind and body and having means enough to reach the Muslim army, yet not a duty necessarily incumbent on every individual but sufficiently performed when done by a certain number. So it must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam. It must be controlled or headed by a Muslim sovereign or imam. As the imam of the Shias is now invisible, they cannot have a djihad until he reappears. Further, the requirement will be met if such a sovereign makes an expedition once a year, or, even, in the later view, if he makes annual preparation for one. The people against whom the djihad is directed must first be invited to embrace Islam. On refusal they have another choice. They may submit to Muslim rule, become dhimmis (q. v.) and pay djizya and kharadj (q. v.) or fight. In the first case, their lives, families and property are assured to them, but they have a definitely inferior status, with no technical citizenship, and a standing only as protected wards. If they fight, they and their families may be enslaved and all their property seized as booty, four-fifths of which goes to the conquering army. If they embrace Islam, and it is open to them to do so even when the armies are face to face, they become part of the Muslim community with all its rights and duties. Apostates must be put to death. But if a Muslim country is invaded by unbelievers, the imam may issue a general summons calling all Muslims there to arms, and as the danger grows so may be the width of the summons until the whole Muslim world is involved. A Muslim who dies fighting in the path of Allah (fi sabil Allah) is martyr (shahid) and is assured of Paradise and of peculiar privileges there. Such a death was, in the early generations, regarded as the peculiar crown of a pious life. It is still, on occasions, a strong incitement, but when Islam ceased to conquer it lost its supreme value. Even yet, however, any war between Muslims and non-Muslims must be a djihad with its incitements and rewards. Of course, such modern movements as the so-called Mu’tazili in India and the Young Turk in Turkey reject this and endeavour to explain away its basis; but the Muslim masses still follow the unanimous voice of the canon lawyers. Islam must be completely made over before the doctrine of djihad can be eliminated”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The generally accepted view is that the fifth verse to Sura-i-Tauba (Sura IX) abrogated the earlier verses revealed in Mecca which permitted the killing of kuffar only in self-defence. As against this the Ahmadis believe that no verso in the Qur’an was abrogated by another verse and that both sets of verses, namely, the Meccan verses and the relative verses in Sura-i-Tauba have different scopes and can stand together. This introduces the difficult controversy of nasikh and mansukh, with all its implications. It is argued on behalf of the Ahmadis that the doctrine of nasikh and mansukh is opposed to the belief in the existence of an original Scripture in Heaven, and that implicit in this doctrine is the admission that unless the verse alleged to be repealed was meant for a specific occasion and by the coming of that occasion fulfilled its purpose and thus spent itself, God did not know of the subsequent circumstances which would make the earlier verse inapplicable or lead to an undesired result.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The third result of this doctrine, it is pointed out, cuts at the very root of the claim that laws of Islam are immutable and inflexible because if changed circumstances made a new revelation necessary, any change in the circumstances subsequent to the completion of the revelation would make most of the revelation otiose or obsolete.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">We are wholly incompetent to pronounce on the merits of this controversy but what has to be pointed out is the result to which the doctrine of jihad will lead if, as appears from the article in the Shorter Encyclopaedia of Islam and other writings produced before us including one by Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi and another by Maulana Shabbir Ahmad Usmani, it involves the spread of Islam by arms and conquest.   ‘Aggression’ and ‘genocide’ are now offences against humanity for which under sentences pronounced by different International tribunals at Nuremburg and Tokio the war lords of Germany and Japan had to forfeit their lives, and there is hardly any difference between the offences of aggression and genocide on the one hand and the doctrine of spread of Islam by arms and conquest on the other. An International Convention on genocide is about to be concluded but if the view of jihad presented to us is correct, Pakistan cannot be a party to it. And while the following verses in the Mecca Suras :—</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Sura II, verses 190 and 193 :190. “Fight in the Cause of God Those who fight you,<br />
But do not transgress limits ;<br />
For God loveth not transgressors”.<br />
193. “And fight them on<br />
Until there is no more<br />
Tumult or oppression,<br />
And there prevail<br />
Justice and faith in God ;<br />
But if they cease,<br />
Let there be no hostility<br />
Except to those<br />
Who practise oppression”.<br />
Sura XXII, verses 39 and 40:<br />
39. “To those against whom<br />
War is made, permission<br />
Is given (to fight) because<br />
They are wronged;— and verily,<br />
God is most Powerful<br />
For their aid;—”<br />
40. “(They are) those who have<br />
Been expelled from their homes<br />
In defiance of right,—<br />
(For no cause) except<br />
That they say, ‘Our Lord<br />
Is God.’ Did not God<br />
Check one set of people<br />
By means of another,<br />
There would surely have been<br />
Pulled down monasteries, churches,<br />
Synagogues, and mosques, in which<br />
The name of God is commemorated<br />
In abundant measure. God will<br />
Certainly aid those who<br />
Aid His (cause);—for verily<br />
God is Full of Strength,<br />
Exalted in Might,<br />
(Able to enforce His Will),”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">contain in them the sublime principle which international jurists have only faintly begun to discover, we must go on preaching that aggression is the chief characteristic of Islam. The law relating to prisoners of war is another branch of Islamic law which is bound to come in conflict with International Law.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">As for instance, in matters relating to the treatment of prisoners of war, we shall have to be governed by Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi’s view, assuming that view is based on the Qur’an and the sunna, which is as follows :—</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“Q.—Is there a law of war in Islam?<br />
A.—Yes.<br />
Q.—Does it differ fundamentally from the modern International Law of war?<br />
A.—These two systems are based on a fundamental difference.<br />
Q.—What rights have non-Muslims who are taken prisoners of war in a jihad?<br />
A.—The Islamic law on the point is that if the country of which these prisoners are nationals pays ransom, they will be released. An exchange of prisoners is also permitted. If neither of these alternatives is possible, the prisoners will be converted into slaves for ever. If any such person makes an offer to pay his ransom out of his own earnings, he will be permitted to collect the money necessary for the fidya (ransom).<br />
Q.—Are you of the view that unless a Government assumes the form of an Islamic Government, any war declared by it is not a jihad?<br />
A.—No. A war may be declared to be a jihad if it is declared by a national Government of Muslims in the legitimate interests of the State. I never expressed the opinion attributed to me in Ex. D. E. 12:—<br />
“Raha yeh masala keh agar hukumat-i-Pakisten apni maujuda shukl-o-surat ke sath Indian Union ke sath apne mu’ahadat khatm kar-ke i’lan-i-jang bar bhi de to kya us-ki yeh jang jihad ke hukam men a-ja’egi ? Ap ne is bare men jo rae zahir ki hai woh bilkul darust hai &#8211; Jab-tak hukumat Islami nizam ko ikhtiyar kar-ke Islami nah ho jae us waqt tak us-ki kisi jang ko jihad kehna aisa hi hai jaisa kisi ghair Muslim ke Azad Kashmir ki fauj men bharti ho-kar larne ko jihad aur us-ki maut ko shahadat ka nam dediya jae &#8211; Maulana ka jo mudd’a hai woh yeh hai keh mu’ahadat ki maujudgi men to hukumat ya us-ke shehriyon ka is jang men sharik hona shar’-an ja’iz hi nahin &#8211; Agar hukumat mu’ahadat khatm kar-ke jang ka<br />
i’lan kar-de to hukumat ki jang to jihad phir bhi nahin hogi ta-an keh hukumat Islami nah ho jae.’</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(translation)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">&#8216;The question remains whether, even if the Government of Pakistan, in its present form and structure, terminates her treaties with the Indian Union and declares war against her, this war would fall under the definition of jihad? The opinion expressed by him in this behalf is quite correct. Until such time as the Government becomes Islamic by adopting the Islamic form of Government, to call any of its wars a jihad would be tantamount to describing the enlistment and fighting of a non-Muslim on the side of the Azad Kashmir forces jihad and his death martyrdom. What the Maulana means is that, in the presence of treaties, it is against Shari’at, if the Government or its people participate in such a war. If the Government terminates the treaties and declares war, even then the war started by Government would not be termed jihad unless the Government becomes Islamic’.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">About the view expressed in this letter being that of Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, there is the evidence of Mian Tufail Muhammad, the writer of the letter, who states: “Ex. D. E. 12 is a photostat copy of a letter which I wrote to someone whose name I do not now remember.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Abul Hasanat Muhammad Ahmad Qadri’s view on this point is as<br />
follows:—<br />
“Q.—Is there a law of war in Islam?<br />
A.—Yes.<br />
Q.—Does it differ in fundamentals from the present International Law?<br />
A.—Yes.<br />
Q.—What are the rights of a person taken prisoner in war?<br />
A.—He can embrace Islam or ask for aman, in which case he will be treated as a musta’min. If he does not ask for aman, he would be made a slave”.<br />
Similar is the opinion expressed by Mian Tufail Muhammad of Jam’at-i-Islami who says:—<br />
“Q.—Is there any law of war in Islamic laws?<br />
A.—Yes.<br />
Q.—If that comes into conflict with International Law, which will you follow?<br />
A.—Islamic law.<br />
Q.—Then please state what will be the status of prisoners of war captured by your<br />
forces?<br />
A.—I cannot reply to this off hand. I will have to study the point.”<br />
Of course ghanima (plunder) and khums (one-fifth) if treated as a necessary incident of<br />
jihad will be treated by international society as a mere act of brigandage.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">REACTION ON MUSLIMS OF NON-MUSLIM STATES<br />
The ideology on which an Islamic State is desired to be founded in Pakistan must have certain consequences for the Musalmans who are living in countries under non-Muslim sovereigns.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">We asked Amir-i-Shari’at Sayyad Ataullah Shah Bukhari whether a Muslim could be a faithful subject of a non-Muslim State and reproduce his answer:—<br />
“Q.—In your opinion is a Musalman bound to obey orders of a kafir<br />
Government?<br />
A.—It is not possible that a Musalman should be faithful citizen of a non-Muslim<br />
Government.<br />
Q.—Will it be possible for the four crore of Indian Muslims to be faithful citizens<br />
of their State?<br />
A—No.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The answer is quite consistent with the ideology which has been pressed before us, but then if Pakistan is entitled to base its Constitution on religion, the same right must be conceded to other countries where Musalmans are in substantial minorities or if they constitute a preponderating majority in a country where sovereignty rests with a non-Muslim community. We, therefore, asked the various ulama whether, if non-Muslims in Pakistan were to be subjected to this discrimination in matters of citizenship, the ulama would have any objection to Muslims in other countries being subjected to a similar discrimination. Their reactions to this suggestion are reproduced below:—</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Abul Hasanat Sayyed Muhammad Ahmad Qadri, President, Jami’at-ul-<br />
Ulama-i-Pakistan:—<br />
“Q.—You will admit for the Hindus, who are in a majority in India, the right<br />
to have a Hindu religious State?<br />
A.—Yes.<br />
Q.—Will you have any objection if the Muslims are treated under that form<br />
of Government as malishes or shudras under the law of Manu?<br />
A.— No.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi :—<br />
“Q.—If we have this form of Islamic Government in Pakistan, will you<br />
permit Hindus to base their Constitution on the basis of their own<br />
religion?<br />
A—Certainly. I should have no objection even if the Muslims of India are<br />
treated in that form of Government as shudras and malishes and Manu’s laws are applied to them, depriving them of all share in the Government and the rights of a citizen. In fact such a state of affairs already exists in India.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Amir-i-Shari’at Sayyad Ata Ullah Skak Bukhari :—<br />
“Q.—How many crores of Muslims are there in India?<br />
A.—Four crores.<br />
Q.—Have you any objection to the law of Manu being applied to them<br />
according to which they will have no civil right and will be treated as<br />
malishes and shudras?<br />
A.—I am in Pakistan and I cannot advise them.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Mian Tufail Muhammad of Jama’at-i-Islami :—<br />
“Q.—What is the population of Muslims in the world?<br />
A.—Fifty crores.<br />
Q.—If the total population of Muslims of the world is 50 crores, as you say,<br />
and the number of Muslims living in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen,<br />
Indonesia, Egypt, Persia, Syria, Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, Turkey and<br />
Iraq does not exceed 20 crores, will not the result of your ideology be<br />
to convert 30 crores of Muslims in the world into hewers of wood and<br />
drawers of water?<br />
A.—My ideology should not affect their position.<br />
Q.—Even if they are subjected to discrimination on religious grounds and<br />
denied ordinary rights of citizenship ?<br />
A.—Yes.”<br />
This witness goes to the extent of asserting that even if a non-Muslim Government were to offer posts to Muslims in the public services of the country, it will be their duty to refuse such posts.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Ghazi Siraj-ud-Din Munir :—<br />
“Q.—Do you want an Islamic State in Pakistan?<br />
A.—Surely.<br />
Q.—What will be your reaction if the neighbouring country was to found<br />
their political system on their own religion?<br />
A.—They can do it if they like.<br />
Q.—Do you admit for them the right to declare that all Muslims in India, are<br />
shudras and malishes with no civil rights whatsoever?<br />
A.—We will do our best to see that before they do it their political<br />
sovereignty is gone. We are too strong for India. We will be strong<br />
enough to prevent India from doing this.<br />
Q.—Is it a part of the religious obligations of Muslims to preach their<br />
religion?<br />
A—Yes.<br />
Q.—Is it a part of the duty of Muslims in India publicly to preach their<br />
religion?<br />
A.—They should have that right.<br />
Q.—What if the Indian State is founded on a religious basis and the right to<br />
preach religion is disallowed to its Muslim nationals?<br />
A —If India makes any such law, believer in the Expansionist movement as I<br />
am, I will march on India and conquer her.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">So this is the reply to the reciprocity of discrimination on religious grounds.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Master Taj-ud-Din Ansari :—<br />
“Q.—Would you like to have the same ideology for the four crores of<br />
Muslims in India as you are impressing upon the Muslims of<br />
Pakistan?<br />
A.—That ideology will not let them remain in India for one minute.<br />
Q.—Does the ideology of a Muslim change from place to place and from<br />
time to time?<br />
A.—No.<br />
Q.—Then why should not the Muslims of India have the same ideology as<br />
you have?<br />
A.—They should answer that question.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The ideology advocated before us, if adopted by Indian Muslims, will completely<br />
disqualify them for public offices in the State, not only in India but in other countries also which are under a non-Muslim Government. Muslims will become perpetual suspects everywhere and will not be enrolled in the army because according to this ideology, in case of war between a Muslim country and a non-Muslim country, Muslim soldiers of the non-Muslim country must either side with the Muslim country or surrender their posts.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The following is the view expressed by two divines whom we questioned on this point:—</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Abul Hasanat Sayyed Muhammad Ahmad Qadri, President, Jami’at-ul-<br />
Ulama-i-Pakistan :—<br />
“Q.—What will be the duty of Muslims in India in case of war between India<br />
and Pakistan?<br />
A.—Their duty is obvious, namely, to side with us and not to fight against us<br />
on behalf of India.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi : —<br />
“Q.—What will be the duty of the Muslims in India in case of war between<br />
India and Pakistan?<br />
A.—Their duty is obvious, and that is not to fight against Pakistan or to do<br />
anything injurious to the safety of Pakistan.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">OTHER INCIDENTS<br />
Other incidents of an Islamic State are that all sculpture, playing of cards, portrait<br />
painting, photographing human beings, music, dancing, mixed acting, cinemas and<br />
theatres will have to be closed.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Thus says Maulana Abdul Haleem Qasimi, representative of Jami’at-ul-Ulama-i-Pakistan: —</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“Q.—What are your views on tashbih and tamseel ?<br />
A.—You should ask me a concrete question.<br />
Q.—What are your views on lahw-o-la’b?<br />
A.—The same is my reply to this question.<br />
Q.—What are your views about portrait painting?<br />
A.—There is nothing against it if any such painting becomes necessary.<br />
Q.—What about photography?<br />
A.—My reply to it is the same as the reply regarding portrait painting.<br />
Q.—What about sculpture as an art?<br />
A.—It is prohibited by our religion.<br />
Q.—Will you bring playing of cards in lohw-o-la’b?<br />
A.—Yes, it will amount to lahw-o-la’b.<br />
Q.—What about music and dancing?<br />
A.—It is all forbidden by our religion.<br />
Q.—What about drama and acting?<br />
A —It all depends on what kind of acting you mean. If it involves immodesty<br />
and intermixture of sexes, the Islamic law is against it.<br />
Q.—If the State is founded on your ideals, will you make a law stopping<br />
portrait painting, photographing of human beings, sculpture, playing<br />
of cards, music, dancing, acting and all cinemas and theatres?<br />
A.—Keeping in view the present form of these activities, my answer is in the<br />
affirmative.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Maulana Abdul Haamid Badayuni considers it to be a sin (ma’siyat) on the part of<br />
professors of anatomy to dissect dead bodies of Muslims to explain points of anatomy to the students.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The soldier or the policeman will have the right, on grounds of religion, to disobey a command by a superior authority. Maulana Abul Hasanat’s view on this is as follows :—</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">“I believe that if a policeman is required to do something which we consider to be<br />
contrary to our religion, it should be the duty of the policeman to disobey the authority. The same would be my answer if ‘army’ were substituted for ‘police’.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Q.—You stated yesterday that if a policeman or a soldier was required by a<br />
superior authority to do what you considered to be contrary to religion, it would be the duty of that policeman or the soldier to disobey such authority. Will you give the policeman or the soldier the right of himself determining whether the command he is given by his superior authority is contrary to religion ?<br />
A.—Most certainly.<br />
Q.—Suppose there is war between Pakistan and another Muslim country and<br />
the soldier feels that Pakistan is in the wrong; and that to shoot a<br />
soldier of other country is contrary to religion. Do you think he would<br />
be justified in disobeying his commanding officer ?<br />
A.—In such a contingency the soldier should take a fatwa of the ‘ulama’.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">We have dwelt at some length on the subject of Islamic State not because we intended to write a thesis against or in favour of such State but merely with a view to presenting a clear picture of the numerous possibilities that may in future arise if true causes of the ideological confusion which contributed to the spread and intensity of the disturbances are not precisely located. That such confusion did exist is obvious because otherwise Muslim Leaguers, whose own Government was in office, would not have risen against it; sense of loyalty and public duty would not have departed from public officials who went about like maniacs howling against their own Government and officers; respect for property and human life would not have disappeared in the common man who with no scruple or compunction began freely to indulge in loot, arson and murder; politicians would not have shirked facing the men who had installed them in their offices; and administrators would not have felt hesitant or diffident in performing what was their obvious duty. If there is one thing which has been conclusively demonstrated in this inquiry, it is that provided you can persuade the masses to believe that something they are asked to do is religiously right or enjoined by religion, you can set them to any course of action, regardless of all considerations of discipline, loyalty, decency, morality or civic sense.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Pakistan is being taken by the common man, though it is not, as an Islamic State. This belief has been encouraged by the ceaseless clamour for Islam and Islamic State that is being heard from all quarters since the establishment of Pakistan. The phantom of an Islamic State has haunted the Musalman throughout the ages and is a result of the memory of the glorious past when Islam rising like a storm from the least expected quarter of the world—wilds of Arabia—instantly enveloped the world, pulling down from their high pedestal gods who had ruled over man since the creation, uprooting centuries old institutions and superstitions and supplanting all civilisations that had been built on an enslaved humanity. What is 125 years in human history, nay in the history of a people, and yet during this brief period Islam spread from the Indus to the Atlantic and Spain, and from the borders of China to Egypt, and the sons of the desert installed themselves in all old centres of civilisation—in Ctesiphon, Damascus, Alexandria, India and all places associated with the names of the Sumerian and the Assyrian civilisations. Historians have often posed the question : what would have been the state of the world today if Muawiya’s siege of Constantinople had succeeded or if the proverbial Arab instinct for plunder had not suddenly seized the mujahids of Abdur Rahman in their fight against Charles Martel on the plains of Tours in Southern France. May be Muslims would have discovered America long before Columbus did and the entire world would have been Moslemised; may be Islam itself would have been Europeanised. It is this brilliant achievement of the Arabian nomads, the like of which the world had never seen before, that makes the Musalman of today live in the past and yearn for the return of the glory that was Islam. He finds himself standing on the crossroads, wrapped in the mantle of the past and with the dead weight of centuries on his back, frustrated and bewildered and hesitant to turn one corner or the other. The freshness and the simplicity of the faith, which gave determination to his mind and spring to his muscle, is now denied to him. He has neither the means nor the ability to conquer and there are no countries to conquer. Little does he understand that the forces, which are pitted against him, are entirely different from those against which early Islam, had to fight, and that on the clues given by his own ancestors human mind has achieved results which he cannot understand. He therefore finds himself in a state of helplessness, waiting for some one to come and help him out of this morass of uncertainty and confusion. And he will go on waiting like this without anything happening. Nothing but a bold re-orientation of Islam to separate the vital from the lifeless can preserve it as a World Idea and convert the Musalman into a citizen of the present and the future world from the archaic in congruity that he is today. It is this lack of bold and clear thinking, the inability to understand and take decisions which has brought about in Pakistan a confusion which will persist and repeatedly create situations of the kind we have been inquiring into until our leaders have a clear conception of the goal and of the means to reach it. It requires no imagination to realise that irreconcilables remain irreconcilable even if you believe or wish to the contrary. Opposing principles, if left to themselves, can only produce confusion and disorder, and the application of a neutralising agency to them can only produce a dead result. Unless, in case of conflict between two ideologies, our leaders have the desire and the ability to elect, uncertainty must continue. And as long as we rely on the hammer when a file is needed and press Islam into service to solve situations it was never intended to solve, frustration and disappointment must dog our steps. The sublime faith called Islam will live even if our leaders are not there to enforce it. It lives in the individual, in his soul and outlook, in all his relations with God and men, from the cradle to the grave, and our politicians should understand that if Divine commands cannot make or keep a man a Musalman, their statutes will not&#8230;.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; From Facebook February 24 2011 Subroto Roy does not know if he just heard Manmohan Singh say &#8220;inflation will soon come down&#8221; &#8212; excuse me Dr Singh, but how was it you and all your acolytes uniformly said back in July 2010 that inflation would be down to 6% by Dec 2010? 6%?! 16% [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5399&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>From Facebook</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>February 24 2011</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy </strong></em><em><strong>does not know if he just heard Manmohan Singh say &#8220;inflation will soon come down&#8221; &#8212; excuse me Dr Singh, but how was it you and all your acolytes uniformly said back in July 2010 that inflation would be down to 6% by Dec 2010? 6%?! 16% more likely! I said. Until he explains his previous error, we may suppose he will repeat it.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>January 11 2011:</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong><a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/04/16/indian-inflation-upside-down-economics-from-new-delhis-establishment/">Subroto Roy can stop the Indian inflation and bring integrity to the currency over time, and Manmohan Singh and his advisers cannot (because they have the wrong economic models/theories/data etc and refuse to change)</a>, but then they would have to make me a Minister and I keep getting reminded of what Groucho Marx said about clubs that would have him.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-11/singh-calls-meeting-with-ministers-advisers-as-indian-onion-prices-surge.html">Subroto Roy does not think Dr Manmohan Singh or his acolytes and advisers, or his Finance Minister and his acolytes and advisers, understand Indian inflation. If you do not understand something, you are not likely to change it.</a><br />
</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>March 6 2010:</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy  says the central difference between the <a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/pricing-planning-politics-a-study-of-economic-distortions-in-india-1984/silver-jubilee-of-%E2%80%9Cpricing-planning-politics-a-study-of-economic-distortions-in-india%E2%80%9D/">Subroto</a> <a href="http://independentindian.com/2010/02/28/memo-to-dr-kaushik-basu/">Roy Model for India</a> <a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/">as described in 1990-1991 to Rajiv Gandhi in his last months</a>, and the <a href="http://www.blogofindia.in/inflation-%E2%80%93-reasons-and-solutions/">Manmohan Singh Model for India</a> that has developed since Rajiv&#8217;s assassination, is that by my model, India&#8217;s money and public finances would have acquired integrity enough for the Indian Rupee to have become a hard currency of the world economy by now, allowing all one billion Indians access to foreign exchange and precious metals freely, whereas by the model of Dr Singh and his countless supporters, India&#8217;s money and public finance remain subject to government misuse and abuse, and access to foreign exchange remains available principally to politicians, bureaucrats, big business and its influential lobbyists, the military, as well as perhaps ten or twenty million <span style="text-decoration:underline;">nomenclatura</span> in the metropolitan cities.</strong></em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>April 8 2010:</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto  Roy notes a different way of stating his cardinal difference with the  economics of Dr Manmohan Singh&#8217;s Govt: in their economics, foreign  exchange is &#8220;made available&#8221; by the GoI for &#8220;business and personal  uses&#8221;. That is different from my economics of aiming for all one billion  Indians to have a money that has some integrity, i.e., a rupee that  becomes a hard currency of the world economy. (Ditto incidentally with  the PRC.)</strong></em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Updates: </strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>From Facebook:</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Subroto Roy  reads in *Newsweek* today  (Aug 19) Manmohan Singh &#8220;engineered the transition from stagnant socialism to a spectacular takeoff&#8221;.  <a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/">This contradicts my experience with Rajiv Gandhi at 10 Janpath in 1990-91. Dr Singh had not returned to India from his years with Julius Nyerere in his final assignment before retiring from the bureaucracy when Rajiv and I first met on 18 September 1990.</a></strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>&#8220;After (Rajiv Gandhi&#8217;s) assassination, the comprador business press credited Narasimha Rao and Manmohan Singh with having originated the 1991 economic reform.  In May 2002, however, the Congress Party itself passed a resolution proposed by Digvijay Singh explicitly stating Rajiv and not either of them was to be so credited&#8230; There is no evidence Dr Singh or his acolytes were committed to any economic liberalism prior to 1991 and scant evidence they have originated liberal economic ideas for India afterwards. Precisely because they represented the decrepit old intellectual order of statist ”Ma-Bap Sarkari” policy-making, they were not asked in the mid-1980s to be part of a “perestroika-for-India” project done at a foreign university ~ the results of which were received…by Rajiv Gandhi in hand at 10 Janpath on 18 September 1990 and specifically sparked the change in the direction of his economic thinking&#8230;&#8221;<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy notes that <a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/04/16/indian-inflation-upside-down-economics-from-new-delhis-establishment/">current Indian public policy discussion has thus far failed to realise that the rise in money prices of real goods and services is the same as the fall in the real value of money</a>.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  is interested to hear Mr Jaitley say in Parliament today <a href="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Jaitley--Credibility-of--economists-running-country-at-stake/656169">the credibility of Government economists is at stake</a>. Of course it is. There has been far too much greed and mendacity all around, besides sheer ignorance. (When I taught for a year or so at the Delhi School of Economics as a 22 year old Visiting Assistant Professor in 1977-78, I was told Mr Jaitley was in the law school and a student leader of note. I though was more interested in teaching the usefulness of Roy Radner&#8217;s &#8220;information structures&#8221; in a course on &#8220;advanced economic theory&#8221;.)</em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>July 31 2010</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy reads in today&#8217;s pink business newspaper the GoI&#8217;s debt level at Rs 38 trillion &amp; three large states (WB, MH, UP) is at Rs 6 trillion, add another 18 for all other large states together, another 5 for all small states &amp; 3 for errors and omissions, making my One Minute Estimate of India&#8217;s Public Debt Stock Rs 70 trillion (70 lakh crores). Interest payments at, say, 9%, keep the banking system afloat, extracting oxygen from the public finances like a cyanide capsule.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>July 28 2010<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy observes Parliament to be discussing Indian inflation but expects <a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/04/16/indian-inflation-upside-down-economics-from-new-delhis-establishment/">a solution will not be found until the problem has been comprehended</a>.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>July 27 2010:</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy <a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/09/28/monetary-integrity-and-the-rupee/">continues to weep at New Delhi&#8217;s continual debauching of the rupee</a>.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>July 25 2010:</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  has no idea why Dr Manmohan Singh has himself (along with all his acolytes and flatterers in the Government and media and big business), <a href="http://www.cneb.in/english/Business_News.aspx?title=Manmohan_predicts_50%_drop_in_inflation_by_Dec.&amp;id=100724005358010311">gone about predicting Indian inflation will fall to 6% by December</a>. <a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/07/28/growth-of-real-income-money-prices-in-india-1869-2004/">16% may be a more likely figure given a public debt at Rs 40 trillion perhaps plus money supply growth above 20%! </a>(Of course, the higher the figure the Government admits, the more it has to pay in dearness allowance to those poor unionized unfortunates known as Government employees, so perhaps the official misunderestimation (sic) of Indian inflation is a strategy of public finance!)</em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>July 12 2010: </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy is amused to read Dr Manmohan Singh&#8217;s Chief Acolyte say in today&#8217;s pink business newspaper how important accounting is in project-appraisal &#8212; does the sinner repent after almost single-handedly helping to ruin project-appraisal  &amp; government accounting &amp; macroeconomic planning over decades?  I  rather doubt it.   For myself, I am amused to see chastity now being suddenly preached from within you-know-where.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>July 4 2010:<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy does not think the Rs 90 billion (mostly in foreign exchange) spent by the Manmohan Singh Government on New Delhi&#8217;s &#8220;Indira Gandhi International Airport Terminal 3&#8243; is conducive to the welfare of the common man (&#8220;aam admi&#8221;) who travels, if at all, mostly within India and by rail.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy hears Dr Manmohan Singh say yesterday &#8220;Global economic recession did not have much impact on us as it had on other countries&#8221;. Of course it didn&#8217;t. I had said India was hardly affected but for a collapse of exports &amp; some fall in foreign investment. Why did he &amp; his acolytes then waste vast public resources claiming they were rescuing India using a purported Keynesian fiscal &#8220;stimulus&#8221; (aka corporate/lobbyist pork)?</em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>May  26 2010:<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto  Roy  would like to know how &amp; when Dr Manmohan Singh will assess he  has finished the task/assignment he thinks has been assigned to him  &amp; finally retire from his post-retirement career: when his Chief  Acolyte declares on TV that 10% real GDP growth has been reached?  (Excuse me, but is that per capita? And about those inequalities&#8230;.?)</em></p>
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		<title>&#8220;I&#8217;m on my way out&#8221;: Siddhartha Shankar Ray (1920-2010)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I  am grieved to hear of the death of Siddhartha Shankar Ray last night. I was introduced to him by an uncle who had been his college-buddy, and he took up a grave personal matter of mine in the Supreme Court of India in 1990 with great kindness, charging me not a penny, being impressed [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5738&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">I  am grieved to hear of the death of Siddhartha Shankar Ray last night.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I was introduced to him by an uncle who had been his college-buddy, and he took up a grave personal matter of mine in the Supreme Court of India in 1990 with great kindness, charging me not a penny, being impressed by a little explicit &#8220;civil disobedience&#8221; I had had to show at the time towards Judge Evelyn Lance.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/pricing-planning-politics-a-study-of-economic-distortions-in-india-1984/silver-jubilee-of-%E2%80%9Cpricing-planning-politics-a-study-of-economic-distortions-in-india%E2%80%9D/">He also told me he and his wife had been in London on May 29 1984 and had seen *The Times*&#8217;s leader that day about my critique of Indian economic policy.</a> He invited me to his Delhi home where I told him about the perestroika-for-India project I had led at the University of Hawaii since 1986, at which he, of his own accord, declared</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">&#8220;You must meet Rajiv Gandhi.  I will arrange a meeting&#8221;.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/">That led to my meeting with Rajiv Gandhi, then Congress President &amp; Leader of the Opposition, on September 18 1990, which contributed to the origins of India&#8217;s 1991 economic reform as has been told elsewhere.</a> Rajiv&#8217;s assistant George told me Rajiv had said he had not heard more fulsome praise.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In Bengal, he took me as a guest to visit the Legislative Assembly in session when he was Leader of the Opposition; it was the legislature of which my great grandfather, <a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/06/17/surendranath-roy-1860-1929/">Surendranath Roy</a>, had been <a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/10/12/origins-of-indias-constitutional-politics-bengal-1913/">a founder</a>, being the first Deputy President and acting President too; Surendranath had been friends with his maternal grandfather, CR Das, leader of the Congress Party before MK Gandhi, and he said to me in the car heading to the legislature about that relationship in Bengal&#8217;s politics some seven decades earlier &#8220;They were friends&#8221;.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">He introduced me to all the main leaders of the Bengal Congress at the time (except Mamata Banerjee who could not come) and I was tasked by him to write the manifesto for the State elections that year, which I did (in English, translated into Bangla by Professor Manjula Bose); the Communists won handily again but one of their leaders (Sailen Dasgupta) declared there had never been a State Congress manifesto of the sort before, being as it was an Orwell-like critique of Bengal&#8217;s Stalinism.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In a later conversation, I said to him I wished he be appointed envoy to Britain, he instead came to be appointed envoy to the USA.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In Washington in September 1993, he said &#8220;You must meet Manmohan Singh&#8221;, and invited me to a luncheon at the Ambassador&#8217;s Residence where, to Manmohan Singh and all his aides, he declared pointing at me</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">&#8220;The Congress manifesto (of 1991) was written on his (laptop) computer&#8221;.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In later years I kept him informed of developments and gave him my publications.   We last met in July last year where I gave him a copy, much to his delight, of <a href="http://independentindian.com/2005/04/27/margaret-thatchers-revolution-how-it-happened-and-what-it-meant/">*Margaret Thatcher&#8217;s Revolution: How it Happened and What it Meant*</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I said to him Bengal&#8217;s public finances were in abysmal condition, calling for emergency measures financially, and that Mamata Banerjee seemed to me to be someone who knew how to and would dislodge the Communists from their entrenched misgovernance of decades but not quite aware that dislodging a bad government politically was not the same thing as knowing how to govern properly oneself.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">He,  again of his own accord, said immediately,</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">&#8220;I will call her and her main people to a meeting here so you can meet them and tell them that directly&#8221;.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">It never transpired.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">He and I were supposed to meet a few months ago but could not due to his poor health; on the phone in our last conversation I mentioned to him my plans of creating a Public Policy Institute &#8212; an idea he immediately and fully endorsed as being essential though adding</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">&#8220;I can&#8217;t be part of it,  I&#8217;m on my way out&#8221;.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">&#8220;I&#8217;m on my way out&#8221;.   <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">That was Siddhartha Shankar Ray &#8212; always intelligent, always good-humoured, always public-spirited, always a great Indian.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I shall miss a good friend, indeed my only friend among politicians other than the late Rajiv Gandhi himself.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Kolkata, November 7 2010</p>
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		<title>Well done! The Sonia-Manmohan Congress takes a *third* Rajivist step!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook October 15  2010 Subroto Roy thinks the Sonia-Manmohan Govt throwing auditors with their rule-books ex post facto at the Games&#8217; organisers is a good if miniscule first step (though it is, in my estimation, the third Rajivist step in total, see infra&#8230;). May we please have the same done asap to military contracts [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5443&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy thinks the Sonia-Manmohan Govt throwing auditors with their rule-books ex post facto at the Games&#8217; organisers is a good if miniscule first step (though it is, in my estimation, the third Rajivist step in total, see infra&#8230;). May we please have the same done asap to military contracts (especially for Russian fighter jets, used aircraft carriers etc), Boeing &amp; Airbus contracts, railway contracts, power sector contracts including nuclear business contracts, IIT and IIM building contracts, in fact *all* government sector building contracts, in fact *all* government sector contracts&#8230;&#8230;</em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>From Facebook March 28 2010</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy is pleased that according to this morning&#8217;s news <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Judicial-backlog-undermining-democracy/articleshow/5733586.cms">reports of a &#8220;national convention&#8221; on &#8220;Law, Justice &amp; the Common Man&#8221;, the Sonia-Manmohan Congress took a small second step</a> <a href="http://independentindian.com/2009/08/18/finally-a-dozen-years-late-the-sonia-manmohan-congress-take-a-small-rajivist-step-yes-prime-minister-our-judiciary-is-indeed-a-premier-public-good-or-example-of-infrastructure-to-use-that-dre/">yesterday on the same road that Rajiv Gandhi and I had chalked out in 1990-1991</a>.  Better late than never!<br />
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		<description><![CDATA[From Subroto Roy &#38; WE James’s Introduction 1989-1990 to Foundations of India’s Political Economy: Towards an Agenda for the 1990s edited by them, published by Sage 1992, received by Rajiv Gandhi on September 1990 in manuscript form. “Finally, no discussion of the subcontinent&#8217;s political economy can ignore the fact of the monumental poverty of external [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5699&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">From Subroto Roy &amp; WE James’s <strong>Introduction</strong> 1989-1990 to <strong>Foundations of India’s Political Economy: Towards an Agenda for the 1990s</strong> edited by them, published by Sage 1992, received by Rajiv Gandhi on September 1990 in manuscript form.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">“Finally, no discussion of the subcontinent&#8217;s political economy can ignore the fact of the monumental poverty of external goods on the part of a vast population, in contrast with a fairly large class of people with adequate livelihoods, in turn contrasting with small islands of indolence and conspicuous consumption.  Benjamin Disraeli said of Victorian England that it consisted of two nations.  The Indian subcontinent today consists in many respects of two nations living side by side, the real division being much less longitudinal on religious or communal lines (as intended by Muslim separatists at the time of Partition and Hindu imperialists today) as it is latitudinal on class lines between &#8220;bhadralok&#8221; and &#8220;janata&#8221;, middle class and working classes, bourgeoisie and masses, &#8220;nomenclatura&#8221; and proletariat.  The sheer numbers can justify speaking of whole nations, the janata in India alone consisting of something like seven hundred million people, the bhadralok of one hundred and fifty million.  The Indian bhadralok on their own constitute one of the largest nations on earth.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The bhadralok are not to be distinguished from the janata by any self-styled civility, nor is there any inevitable conflict which will lead to the victory of one and decimation of the other, nor is it that one derives its income from productive effort or enterprise and the other does not.  A more effective criterion by which to distinguish the two nations of India may have to do not with work but with leisure, as well as with the kind of capital that comes to be inherited over time. The janata are the unleisured nation of India, people who mostly due to the meagreness of their initial resources come to possess little or no leisure in the course of their lifetimes.  They are scattered and illiterate, without connections in high places, often too involved with the hardships of daily life to care for much else.  They eat and sleep to maintain the minimum energy needed to survive, reproduce and send their children to school or work, travelling through life day by day and week by week.  They may have some short time devoted to religion or entertainment, but life is too often too hard, not so much without happiness or culture as without much time for either.  Expectations of what life has to offer may be unambitious and yet successful.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Inequality from an economic point of view may consist of the fact that the poor do not inherit any leisure from the past.  They do not inherit the savings of their parents and ancestors because most did not have parents and ancestors who had any savings to leave behind.  Capital and the income it generates, and the consumption which such income makes possible, are among the most subtle notions of political economy.  As a rough approximation, if we distinguish between human capital, physical and financial capital, and social and political capital, it may be said that the inheritance of economic inequality in India may consist of <em>the inheritance of economic inequality in India may consist of the inheritance by the janata of no form of capital except their own stock of human capital</em>. There is little or no inheritance from parents of savings or any other form of capital.  Hence the janata are also the &#8220;garib lok&#8221;, the masses are also the poor folk.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">By contrast the bhadralok are also the leisured nation of the subcontinent, with the time and inclination to praise or decry the state of the culture or the economy or the prime minister, to visit or return from the outside world (&#8220;baahar&#8221;) to the subcontinent or vice versa, to take a walk in the morning or a nap in the afternoon, to express compassion for or embarrassment about the existence of the janata (especially in relation to the foreigner since the bhadralok have to explain both their privileged position relative to the janata and their often underprivileged position relative to the foreigner with whom they desire to consort), to study the janata or lead them in revolution or take measurements of them, and to read, write, edit or publish books such as this one.  The bhadralok are the &#8220;respectable people&#8221; of the subcontinent, with names, family histories and reputations, literate and often highly educated, bilingual at least, with an inheritance of or illusions about acknowledged places in society.  They inherit from their parents and save for their children physical and financial capital, invest in their human capital, and bestow to them as much social and political capital as they can.  The mercantile and industrial bhadralok own and transfer to their children relatively more physical and financial capital, while the managerial, administrative and professional bhadralok may transfer relatively more social and political capital.  At the apex of both groups is an elite amounting to a few million people, united perhaps by their membership or attempted membership of the post-British social clubs and centres of intellectualism, or foreign universities and the lower middle classes of Britain and North America.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">What may be expected in the long run is mobility between the two nations and in both directions.  Through indolence or bad luck, families can fall by a half or a third of a social class each generation, or move in the opposite direction through chance or cunning or enterprise and effort.  It is an essential feature of mass economic development that there will be net mobility upwards in the long run, and an attendant breakdown of social barriers and the gradual assimilation of classes and castes into one another.  Contrary to an assumption of the working classes being united in their despair and contempt for the middle class, and motivated in their desire to bloodily dispose of them, it may be more accurate to say that what unleisured people want most (after employment, food, shelter and clothing) is what they value most at the margin, namely, leisure.  What the working classes desire most may be something like the kind of life as the bourgeoisie.  Let aside there being a potential or open conflict arising from the janata against the bhadralok, the truth of the matter could be there is a desire of the janata to have at least some leisure like the bhadralok.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">If this is an accurate assumption, the main source of conflict between the two nations of India or the subcontinent could be different from what is often supposed by many people.  Instead of being revolutionary in nature and deriving from below, the source may be reactionary in nature and amount to resistance from the top.  Like all cartels, the bhadralok may want to preserve their numbers and not look with favour at the prospect of large-scale mass economic development, entailing as this will greater competition on all fronts, the erosion of privilege, the breakdown of social barriers and the assimilation of classes into one another.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The Jacobin/Bolshevik/Maoist method of reducing inequalities was to expropriate physical and financial capital, and decimate social and political capital and all that stands in the way of such destruction.  The upheaval and chaos of such blood-letting leaves a new order which is, or seems, for a moment, more egalitarian than the regime it replaces.  But it also leaves a society without knowledge of its past, alternately enervated by its present and terrified of its future.  Recovery from such a state of near social death has been long and hard and painful, where it has happened at all.  Despite the wishes of a few, India does not seem likely to experience such social death on a national scale, although the temporary effects of terrorism and civil chaos in pockets of the country would seem to be similar.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">A more far-sighted method would be by the <em>creation</em> of capital for the janata to increase their sources of income and consumption and thereby reduce the inequality of wealth and political power.  It would mean investment in the only form of capital that the janata have: their own human capital.  It would mean fundamentally a change of focus away from the theoretical and grandiose in the drawing-rooms and corridors of New Delhi (and Washington), and towards the simple and commonsensical: stopping the wastage of the tax-resources; making the currency sound at home and abroad; redirecting public investment towards public goods such as civil justice, roads, fresh water and sanitation; and fostering a civilized rural life, built around village schools with blackboards and chalk, with playgrounds and libraries and hot meals, with all-weather buildings and all-weather roads to their doors.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">India today resembles a kind of gigantic closed city with high walls and few gates.  Within the walls are concurrently represented many different ages in the history of man, from pre-historic and early Aryan, to medieval and Moghul, to Dickensian and American, the members of each age having some common and some individual sets of life-expectations, yet all being due to enter the next century together. Outside is the rest of human civilization, as well as the free circulation of gold and foreign exchange.  Nearabouts the gates of the city, and with ability to travel in and out, are the few million of the elite.  If the walls of the city are to be knocked down or at least if the gates opened and kept wide open, it will have to be the elite who do this or consent to have it done.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">If it is done properly, after adequate preparation of the economic and political expectations of citizens, there may be many positive results, not only for the economy but also for the culture and civilization of the subcontinent as a whole. The free flow of ideas and opportunities across national borders; the freedom to travel in the world; the free movement of goods and capital; the freedom to save one&#8217;s tangible wealth, small as this may be, in whatever form or currency one considers best &#8212; these are fundamentally important freedoms which have been denied to most of the people of the subcontinent thus far and yet are taken for granted elsewhere in the world.  There seems little reason to doubt that if such freedoms come to be gradually exercised by the janata there would be a permanent trend of increase in mass income and consumption.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Yet there are genuine questions of sovereignty which have to be anticipated as well.  The consequences of a true opening are not fully or easily foreseeable.  The prompt arrival of new East India Companies may be expected.  Will there be enough competition between them?  Or will the elite come to be further subverted, taking the first Indian Republic with it?  After the long experience of foreign rule and nationalism and independent democracy, is the Indian polity mature enough to survive and gain from such an opening, or will it collapse once again as it did in the eighteenth century?  The spectres of Plassey and Avadh must haunt every Indian nationalist, even as the hopes of a free economy and a progressive culture and an open civilization, beckon from the future.  Is it a silent and implicit fear of this sort which constitutes the only possible rational barrier to greater freedom?  Has the continued poverty been, in effect, the cost of nationalism?  These are hard questions to which answers may not be found easily. It is hoped by the editors that the present volume may engage the citizens and friends of India to reflect upon them….”</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>From Facebook 7 Sep 2010:</em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em> Rajiv Gandhi received this book in manuscript form in hand from me on Sep 18 1990, and it contributed to the origins of India’s 1991 economic reform as has been described elsewhere.  I am delighted to hear his son Rahul has in the last few days also been referring to India as “Two Nations”, rich and poor.  Dr Manmohan Singh received the book itself in hand from me at the Indian Ambassador’s Residence in Washington in Sepember 1993; I am glad to see he too has yesterday mentioned the same “Two Nations” theory that I had applied from Disraeli’s book about Victorian England.</em></strong></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook  June 26 2010: Subroto Roy reads yet another of New Delhi&#8217;s economic bluff-masters say in today&#8217;s pink business newspaper: &#8220;The architect of reforms in 1991 was&#8230; Manmohan Singh&#8221;. Manmohan is on record himself  that he had nothing to do with it, &#38; all the bluff-masters know for a fact but cannot admit it [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5268&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy reads yet another of New Delhi&#8217;s economic bluff-masters say in today&#8217;s pink business newspaper: &#8220;The architect of reforms in 1991 was&#8230; Manmohan Singh&#8221;. Manmohan is on record himself  that he had nothing to do with it, &amp; all the bluff-masters know for a fact but cannot admit it happened due to my encounter with Rajiv Gandhi beginning Sep 18 1990 when I gave him the results of the UH Manoa project I had led since 1986.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>(Subroto Roy notes that this particular bluff-master is yet another who calls himself a Dr but cannot recall or state where his PhD is from or what if anything his dissertation was about. The stench of intellectual fraud from purported economists in New Delhi continues to keep me as nauseated as a pregnant Johanna Van Beethoven.)</em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  <a href="http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3531641.html">has great sympathy for the people who were made to officially disappear by Stalin </a>&#8211; and suggests that even today old Stalinist habits die hard in countries where there has been no liberal revolution against them.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  is amused to read in the pink business papers this morning more self-serving fabrication emerge out of New Delhi&#8217;s vapid formerly Stalinist bureaucrats about what happened in 1990-91. And says he must dig out those old Stalinist photos which rubbed out Trotsky from standing beside Lenin! Hey Trotsky, I need some advice, man! Please channel&#8230;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  finally declares, on the basis of what Dr Manmohan Singh&#8217;s <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">chief aide</span> Chief Acolyte said yesterday as quoted in the pink business papers today, that there has been a systematic attempt at a Stalinist falsification of history in New Delhi as to what happened between September 18 1990 and March 23 1991 with respect to the prospective economic policy-making of the Congress Government following the 1991 election. The falsification has failed and is destined to fail further.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  needs to channel Trotsky: <a href="http://independentindian.com/2007/11/25/sonias-lying-courtier">&#8220;Leon Trotsky was a close friend of Lenin, and shared his idealistic ideas about the communist state. In the following photographs he canbe seen together with Lenin. The next set of images are nearly identical,however Trotsky is removed from both photographs. The historical reason for this alteration is that Stalin eventually began to see Trotsky as a threat and labeled him an &#8220;enemy of the people&#8221;. After he was deported from the Soviet Union in 1929, Trotsky criticized Stalin&#8217;s leadership, arguing that the dictatorship Stalin exercised was based on his own interests, rather than those of the people. This contributed substantially to Trotsky&#8217;s removal from photographs and history.&#8221;</a></em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><a href="http://independentindian.com/2007/11/25/sonias-lying-courtier">Sonia’s Lying Courtier (with Postscript) </a><strong>November 25, 2007</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Two Sundays ago in an English-language Indian newspaper, an elderly man in his 80s, advertised as being “the Gandhi family’s favourite technocrat” published some deliberate falsehoods about events in Delhi 17 years ago surrounding Rajiv Gandhi’s last months. I wrote at once to the man, let me call him Mr C, asking him to correct the falsehoods since, after all, it was possible he had stated them inadvertently or thoughtlessly or through faulty memory. He did not do so. I then wrote to a friend of his, a Congress Party MP from his State, who should be expected to know the truth, and I suggested to him that he intercede with his friend to make the corrections, since I did not wish, if at all possible, to be compelled to call an elderly man a liar in public.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>That did not happen either and hence I am, with sadness and regret, compelled to call Mr C a liar.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>The newspaper article reported that Mr C’s “relationship with Rajiv (Gandhi) would become closer when (Rajiv) was out of power” and that Mr C “was part of a group that brainstormed with Rajiv every day on a different subject”. Mr C has reportedly said Rajiv’s “learning period came after he left his job” as PM, and “the others (in the group)” were Mr A, Mr B, Mr D, Mr E “*and Manmohan Singh*” (italics added).</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>In reality, Mr C was a retired pro-USSR bureaucrat aged in his late 60s in September 1990 when Rajiv Gandhi was Leader of the Opposition and Congress President. Manmohan Singh was an about-to-retire bureaucrat who in September 1990 was not physically present in India, having been working for Julius Nyerere of Tanzania for several years.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>On 18 September 1990, upon recommendation of Siddhartha Shankar Ray, Rajiv Gandhi met me at 10 Janpath, where I handed him a copy of the unpublished results of an academic “perestroika-for-India” project I had led at the University if Hawaii since 1986. The story of that encounter has been told first on July 31-August 2 1991 in The Statesman, then in the October 2001 issue of Freedom First, then in January 6-8 2006, September 23-24 2007 in The Statesman, and most recently in The Statesman Festival Volume 2007. The last of these speaks most fully yet of my warnings against Rajiv’s vulnerability to assassination; this document in unpublished form was sent by me to Rajiv’s friend, Mr Suman Dubey in July 2005, who forwarded it with my permission to the family of Rajiv Gandhi.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>It was at the 18 September 1990 meeting that I suggested to Rajiv that he should plan to have a modern election manifesto written. The next day, 19 September, I was asked by Rajiv’s assistant V George to stay in Delhi for a few days as Mr Gandhi wished me to meet some people. I was not told whom I was to meet but that there would be a meeting on Monday, 24th September. On Saturday, the Monday meeting was postponed to Tuesday 25th September because one of the persons had not been able to get a flight into Delhi. I pressed to know what was going on, and was told I would meet Mr A, Mr B, Mr C and Mr D. It turned out later Mr A was the person who could not fly in from Hyderabad.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>The group (excluding Mr B who failed to turn up because his servant had failed to give him the right message) met Rajiv at 10 Janpath in the afternoon of 25th September. We were asked by Rajiv to draft technical aspects of a modern manifesto for an election that was to be expected in April 1991. The documents I had given Rajiv a week earlier were distributed to the group. The full story of what transpired has been told in my previous publications.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Mr C was ingratiating towards me after that first meeting with Rajiv and insisted on giving me a ride in his car which he told me was the very first Maruti ever manufactured. He flattered me needlessly by saying that my PhD (in economics from Cambridge University) was real whereas his own doctoral degree had been from a dubious management institute of the USSR. (Handling out such doctoral degrees was apparently a standard Soviet way of gaining influence.) Mr C has not stated in public how his claim to the title of “Dr” arises.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Following that 25 September 1990 meeting, Mr C did absolutely nothing for several months towards the purpose Rajiv had set us, stating he was very busy with private business in his home-state where he flew to immediately. Mr D went abroad and was later hit by severe illness. Mr B, Mr A and I met for luncheon at New Delhi’s Andhra Bhavan where the former explained how he had missed the initial meeting. Then Mr B said he was very busy with his house-construction, and Mr A said he was very busy with finishing a book for his publishers on Indian defence, and both begged off, like Mr C and Mr D, from any of the work that Rajiv had explicitly set our group. My work and meeting with Rajiv in October 1990 has been reported previously.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Mr C has not merely suppressed my name from the group in what he has published in the newspaper article two Sundays ago, he has stated he met Rajiv as part of such a group “every day on a different subject”, another falsehood. The next meeting of the group with Rajiv was in fact only in December 1990, when the Chandrashekhar Government was discussed. I was called by telephone in the USA by Rajiv’s assistant V George but I was unable to attend, and was briefed later about it by Mr A.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>When new elections were finally announced in March 1991, Mr C brought in Mr E into the group in my absence (so he told me), perhaps in the hope I would remain absent. But I returned to Delhi and between March 18 1991 and March 22 1991, our group, including Mr E (who did have a genuine PhD), produced an agreed-upon document. That document was handed over by us together in a group to Rajiv Gandhi at 10 Janpath the next day, and also went to the official political manifesto committee of Narasimha Rao, Pranab Mukherjee and M. Solanki.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Our group, as appointed by Rajiv on 25 September 1990, came to an end with the submission of the desired document to Rajiv on 23 March 1991.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>As for Manmohan Singh, contrary to Mr C’s falsehood, Manmohan Singh has himself truthfully said he was with the Nyerere project until November 1990, then joined Chandrashekhar’s PMO in December 1990 which he left in March 1991, that he had no meeting with Rajiv Gandhi prior to Rajiv’s assassination but rather did not in fact enter Indian politics at all until invited by Narasimha Rao several weeks later to be Finance Minister. In other words, Manmohan Singh himself is on record stating facts that demonstrate Mr C’s falsehood.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>The economic policy sections of the document submitted to Rajiv on 23 March 1991 had been drafted largely by myself with support of Mr E and Mr D and Mr C as well. It was done over the objections of Mr B, who had challenged me by asking what Manmohan Singh would think of it. I had replied I had no idea what Manmohan Singh would think of it, saying I knew he had been out of the country on the Nyerere project for some years.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Mr C has deliberately excluded my name from the group and deliberately added Manmohan Singh’s instead. What explains this attempted falsification of facts – reminiscent of totalitarian practices in communist countries? Manmohan Singh was not involved by his own admission, and as Finance Minister told me so directly when he and I were introduced in Washington DC in September 1993 by Siddhartha Shankar Ray, then Indian Ambassador to the USA.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>A possible explanation for Mr C’s mendacity is as follows: I have been recently publishing the fact that I repeatedly pleaded warnings that I (even as a layman on security issues) perceived Rajiv Gandhi to have been insecure and vulnerable to assassination. Mr C, Mr B and Mr A were among the main recipients of my warnings and my advice as to what we as a group, appointed by Rajiv, should have done towards protecting Rajiv better. They did nothing — though each of them was a senior man then aged in his late 60s at the time and fully familiar with Delhi’s workings while I was a 35 year old newcomer. After Rajiv was assassinated, I was disgusted with what I had seen of the Congress Party and Delhi, and did not return except to meet Rajiv’s widow once in December 1991 to give her a copy of a tape in which her late husband’s voice was recorded in conversations with me during the Gulf War.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Mr C has inveigled himself into Sonia Gandhi’s coterie – while Manmohan Singh went from being mentioned in our group by Mr B to becoming Narasimha Rao’s Finance Minister and Sonia Gandhi’s Prime Minister. If Rajiv had not been assassinated, Sonia Gandhi would have been merely a happy grandmother today and not India’s purported ruler. India would also have likely not have been the macroeconomic and political mess that the mendacious people around Sonia Gandhi like Mr C have now led it towards.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>POSTSCRIPT: The Congress MP was kind enough to write in shortly afterwards; he confirmed he “recognize(d) that Rajivji did indeed consult you in 1990-1991 about the future direction of economic policy.” A truth is told and, furthermore, the set of genuine Rajivists in the present Congress Party is identified as non-null.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy&#8230; reads Manmohan Singh&#8217;s Media-Flatterer-in-Chief (as  opposed to the Chief Acolyte) claim in the pink business newspaper today  that a young Dr Singh in 1974-5 had &#8220;crafted&#8221; a &#8220;strategy&#8221; to reduce  India&#8217;s &#8220;hyperinflation&#8221; and purportedly won Indira Gandhi&#8217;s praise  &amp; confidence. Sheer nonsense I am afraid. There was no  &#8220;hyperinflation&#8221; at the time in India, only a massive readjustment of  relative prices caused by the first oil shock &amp; a lot of &#8220;repressed  inflation&#8221; typical of controlled economies. People like LK Jha &amp; PN  Dhar (if memory serves rightly) were the key economic decision-makers,  not Dr Singh. The &#8220;strategy&#8221; was one of &#8220;forced saving&#8221; and  price-controls (i.e., almost no &#8220;strategy&#8221; at all). And the data show it  did not work! Look up *Indian Economic Journal*, Special No in Monetary  Economics Oct-Dec 1975, especially the keynote address by my great  professor, Frank Hahn, titled &#8220;Money and General Equilibrium&#8221;,  republished in *Money, Growth and Stability* (MIT 1984)&#8230;<br />
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		<title>Did the GoI&#8217;s MoF&#8217;s CEA certify India&#8217;s fiscal health yesterday? If so, it is a mistaken certificate</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook: Subroto Roy reads that Dr Kaushik Basu, Chief Economic Adviser to the Finance Ministry of the Manmohan Singh Government, has &#8220;expressed great confidence in the fiscal health of the economy&#8221; and says to Kaushik: You are unaware of that of which you wish to speak.<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5593&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>From Facebook: </strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em>Subroto Roy  reads that Dr Kaushik Basu, Chief Economic Adviser to the Finance Ministry of the Manmohan Singh Government, has <a href="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/no-excessive-step-needed-govt-to-rbi/633923/">&#8220;expressed great confidence in the fiscal health of the economy&#8221;</a> and says to Kaushik: </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong><em><a href="http://independentindian.com/2010/05/17/yet-another-memo-to-dr-kaushik-basu/">You are unaware</a> <a href="http://independentindian.com/2010/04/16/another-memo-to-dr-kaushik-basu/">of that</a> <a href="http://independentindian.com/2010/02/28/memo-to-dr-kaushik-basu/">of which you wish to speak.</a></em></strong></p>
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		<title>(Yet Another) Memo to Dr Kaushik Basu</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Kaushik, Apropos your reported predictions, I have had to say at Facebook: Subroto Roy  is appalled the GoI&#8217;s Chief Economic Adviser has declared (as the PM and the PM&#8217;s Chief Acolyte had  declared in earlier months) that prices are trending downwards stochastically but amused that at least a stochastic (&#8220;fluctuating&#8221;) trend got mentioned. Governor [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5568&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">Dear Kaushik,</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Apropos your <a href="http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/basu-sees-fluctuating-downward-trend/395034/">reported predictions</a>, I have had to say at Facebook:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  is appalled the GoI&#8217;s Chief Economic Adviser has declared (as the PM and the PM&#8217;s Chief Acolyte had  declared in earlier months) that prices are trending downwards stochastically but amused that at least a stochastic (&#8220;fluctuating&#8221;) trend got mentioned.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2010/04/21/a-small-challenge-to-the-rbis-governor-subbarao/">Governor Subbarao has been set a small challenge the other day to release asap for public scrutiny the comprehensive macroeconomic model he says he believes the RBI has</a> &#8212; which may be  hard if no such model may exist at the RBI.   Nor does your Ministry or anyone else in New Delhi have such a model.  So what is the Government&#8217;s precise scientific basis for predicting a slowing of inflation?  Nothing at all?</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The Government needs to begin to try to understand that inflation does not slow down in circumstances where real public debt per capita and money supply have been growing exponentially for decades &#8212; to the contrary, inflation tends to rise to dangerous heights!  Debauching of  fiat money would hardly have been allowed if the rupee was a hard currency because we would have seen an honest exchange-rate crashing through the floor with this kind of inflationary finance the Government has given us over the decades.  There is, sad to say, zero chance of the rupee becoming a hard currency that all one billion Indians may feel confident about so long as such inflationary finance continues unabated.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Cordially yours</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Suby</p>
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		<title>My 200 words on India’s Naxal guerrilla rebels that a “leading business magazine” invited but then found too hot to handle</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>“Public finances in India, state and Union, show appalling accounting  and lack of transparency. Vast amounts of waste, fraud and malfeasance  get hidden as a result. The Congress, BJP, official communists,  socialists et al are all culpable for this situation having developed –  over decades. So if you ask me, “Is the Indian state and polity in a  healthy condition?”  I would say no, it is pretty rotten.   Well-informed, moneyed, mostly city-based special interest groups  (especially including organised capital and organised labour) dominate  government agendas at the cost of ill-informed, diffused masses of  anonymous individual citizens ~ peasants, forest-dwellers, small  businessmen, non-unionized workers, the destitute, etc. Demarcations of  private, community and public property rights frequently remain fuzzy.   Inflation causes non-paper assets to rise in value, encouraging  land-grabs. And the fetish over purported growth-rates continues despite  measurements being faulty, not reaching UN SNA standards, probably  hiding increasing inequalities.  India’s polity and economy are in poor  shape for many millions of ordinary people. Armed rebellion, however,  does not follow from this.  Killing poor policemen and starting  class-wars were failed Naxal tactics in the 1970s and remain so today.   Naxals should put down their weapons and use Excel sheets and government  accounting data instead. </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Dr Subroto Roy, economist and adviser to Rajiv Gandhi 1990-1991.”</em></p>
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		<title>A Small Challenge to the RBI’s Governor Subbarao</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 03:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Hon&#8217;ble Gov of the Reserve Bank of India Shri D Subbarao Dear Governor Subbarao, You said yesterday, April 20 2010, that the Reserve Bank of India has a macroeconomic model which it uses but which you had personally not seen. I have given two lectures at your august offices, one by invitation of Governor [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5523&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">The Hon&#8217;ble Gov of the Reserve Bank of India Shri D Subbarao</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Dear Governor Subbarao,</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">You said yesterday, April 20 2010, that the Reserve Bank of India has a macroeconomic model which it uses but which you had personally not seen.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I have given two lectures at your august offices, one by invitation of Governor Jalan and Deputy Governor Reddy on April 29 2000 to address the Conference of State Finance Secretaries, the other on May 5 2005 to  address the Chief Economist&#8217;s Monetary Economics Seminar.  On both occasions, I had inquired of the RBI&#8217;s own models by which I could contrast my own but came to understand there were none.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">If since then the RBI has now constructed a macroeconomic model of India&#8217;s economy, it is splendid news.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">May I request the model be released publicly on the Internet at once, so its specifications of endogenous and exogenous variables, assumed coefficients, and sources of time-series data all may be seen by everyone in the country and abroad?  Scientific scrutiny and replication of results would thus come to be permitted.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I would be especially interested to know the demand for money function that you have used.   I well remember my meeting with the late great Sukhamoy Chakravarty on July 14 1987 at his Planning Commission offices, when he signed and gifted me his last personal copy of the famous Reserve Bank report by the committee he had chaired  and  of which he told me personally Dr Rangarajan had been the key author &#8211; that report may have contained the first official discussion of the demand for money function in India.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">With cordial regards</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Subroto Roy</p>
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		<title>(Another) Memo to Dr Kaushik Basu</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook: Subroto Roy says to Kaushik:  Dear Kaushik, Buffer-stock interventions are *microeconomic* in nature, and won&#8217;t do to control the *macroeconomic* phenomenon that is inflation. Get government accounting straight (and clean), try to raise government productivity *drastically* and try to *understand* the fiscal situation and *hence* the monetary situation. Feel free to email or [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5510&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>From Facebook:<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy says to Kaushik:  Dear Kaushik, <a href="http://asia.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20100416/tbs-india-economy-adviser-02c71ef.html">Buffer-stock interventions are *microeconomic* in nature, and won&#8217;t do to control the *macroeconomic* phenomenon that is inflation.</a> Get government accounting straight (and clean), try to raise government productivity *drastically* and try to *understand* the fiscal situation and *hence* the monetary situation. Feel free to email or phone. Cordially, Suby</em></p>
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		<title>A New Drachma? Some thoughts on Greece, the Euro, the IMF, etc.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook: April 29 2010: Subroto Roy thinks a New Drachma is inevitable sooner or later but remains deeply puzzled at the possible ways it may get reintroduced. The examples of such monetary reforms are all long gone from memory, in the immediate aftermath of WWII. It seems clear the Euro will become an increasingly [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5427&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>From Facebook:</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>April 29 2010:<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy </em><em>thinks a New Drachma is inevitable sooner or later but remains deeply puzzled at the possible ways it may get reintroduced. The examples of such monetary reforms are all long gone from memory, in the immediate aftermath of WWII. It seems clear the Euro will become an increasingly scarce currency not suitable for fulfilling the normal medium of exchange function in domestic Greek transactions and will become a rationed hard currency under capital controls for external transactions only. It may already be hard or impossible to restrain a capital flight, perhaps underway. How will the actual transition be made? Perhaps by allowing Greek government debt denominated in a new local money, call it the New Drachma, to become tradeable? I said in my *Reverse Euro* model for India lecture in June 1998 at London&#8217;s IEA that the Eurozone could end up looking less like America&#8217;s monetary union than India&#8217;s.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>April 8 2010: </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy, reading <a href="http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2010/04/08/197906/greek-out-2/">&#8220;It is hard to know how to interpret this large decline in deposits&#8221;</a>, says &#8220;Not really. The Euro is becoming a *scarce hard currency* in Greece, i.e., it is becoming too expensive to use Euros to satisfy Greece&#8217;s transactions demand for money, the medium of exchange function, hence Greece has an increasing need for a new local currency which will satisfy that function while the Euro is retained for use in Greece&#8217;s international transactions&#8221;.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>thinks the only sustainable long-term solution may be the reintroduction of a New Drachma, which will need time to stabilize behind a period of foreign exchange controls and rationing. The DM/FFr-based Euro would become a hard currency relative to a New Drachma.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>March 24 2010:<br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&amp;sid=a4Yny73qyKhw">Subroto Roy expects the US, Britain, ANZ and everyone else in the IMF who is not in the Eurozone may legitimately ask why the effective subsidy of Greece by its Eurozone partners should be transferred to the rest of the world.</a></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy thinks the Europeans have enough clout in the IMF to, say, insist some of their own IMF-directed resources be directed towards Greece specifically, which would spell the unravelling of the IMF if it became a general habit.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy says<br />
&#8220;I had a very productive few months in 1993 as a high-level consultant working for Hubert Neiss at the IMF (consultants are, or at least were, very rare at the IMF unlike at the World Bank etc) when I came to understand a little of how the place works (leaving aside all the theory). The French Managing Director is a politician and not an economist or even a central banker, and I am sure France and Germany can swing some IMF money towards Greece. But of course, the IMF can by definition give no *monetary* or exchange-rate advice to Greece because there is no sovereign monetary authority in Greece any more. Hence all it can do is add the same fiscal (and political) advice and conditions as the rest of the Eurozone countries have done plus make the piggy bank larger with some IMF money. It may work once, but if France and Germany then say, right, Portugal, Spain, Italy are next in line, that is the end of the IMF, because its European members may as well be asked to pull out altogether. On the other hand, my radical advice to the IMF might have been to propose to help Greece to reintroduce the drachma and re-establish a sovereign monetary authority of its own, which would take IMF advice and expertise as a New Drachma would take time to stabilize and there would be a period of capital controls on foreign exchange transactions.”</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><br />
Subroto Roy gave a Jun &#8217;98 lecture at London&#8217;s IEA on why India should have a  *Reverse-Euro* model: eg 16 major states have their own (domestic) monies with a national rupee coexisting too &amp; free currency markets everywhere. I said I feared a Eurozone may end up *looking like India* rather than the US in this. India has papered over wild fiscal mismanagement by the States by even wilder fiscal mismanagement by the Union!</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy says Europe could have been a confederation &amp; an economic union for practical purposes without individual monetary sovereignties being lost. E.g., the drachma or peso or escudo or punt or lira could each have chosen to appropriately link to some combination of the DM, FFR, sterling etc. And a Europe-wide Euro from an ECB could have coexisted as well.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  finds Mr Constanzo mention Gresham&#8217;s Law, and says, &#8220;Certainly there might have been currency competition in Europe, and some of the smaller currencies may have chosen to go to *that* Euro &#8212; but DM would not have done, and would have been an alternative to it.&#8221;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  thought imposing a single newly invented money on different economies a bit like imposing a single newly invented language (like Esperanto) on different peoples.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  says India has papered over the wild fiscal mismanagement by the States by even wilder fiscal mismanagement by the Union!</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  thinks the effective subsidy French farmers et al were getting from Germany in pre-Euro days all came to be subsumed within Euro-economics; an alternative would have been to *leave* DM as it was, &amp; perhaps FFR too, &amp; to have introduced a Euro for smaller economies to use (presumably to save transactions costs);*that* Euro could have been linked to the DM etc. The Germans would have been happy &amp; the problems avoided.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  says German unification hit the Germans badly enough and they seem hardly in any mood to keep on playing Sugar-Daddy to everyone else while still having to defer to the putative victors of WWII (France and Britain) for political leadership.</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook: Subroto Roy notes New Delhi&#8217;s policy-makers, after being blasted by him for five years, yesterday admitted inflation is in &#8220;double-digits&#8221;. Better late than never! Now, let&#8217;s see, top up 5% Errors, Omissions &#38; Other Misunderestimations, 2% population, &#38; what was that Money Supply Growth? 22%? The One Minute Subroto Roy Estimate of Real [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5417&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  notes New Delhi&#8217;s policy-makers, after being blasted by him for five years, yesterday admitted inflation is in &#8220;double-digits&#8221;. Better late than never! Now, let&#8217;s see, top up 5% Errors, Omissions &amp; Other Misunderestimations, 2% population, &amp; what was that Money Supply Growth? 22%? The One Minute Subroto Roy Estimate of Real Per Capita GDP Growth in India then becomes 22-10-5-2= 5%. Economic Inequality? Don&#8217;t even ask&#8230;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy notes that of the four others who were appointed by Rajiv on 25 Sep 1990, following his solitary 18 Sep meeting, two have been now mendacious in print: one, exposed in Nov 2007, fell silent thereafter given the magnitude of the lie, the other has engaged last week in his perennial bluff, waffle &amp; *suppressio veri*. The General is probably the least mendacious of the four but too old now &amp; too distant from Delhi.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy thinks the Americans have made some epistemological mistakes in their search for Osama, e.g.. in assuming the search is merely for, as it were, a lanky basketball player who has gone AWOL or is playing truant, rather than someone who is seen as a highly respected hero in the Muslim world. For example, Osama does not have to go to dialysis, dialysis comes to him.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy says Osama will not be found if he is being looked for in the wrong places. As I have said since at least 2006, he is probably in a comfortable oasis in the North African desert.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  reads Hans Suter say &#8220;suddenly the Swiss Franc looks once again attractive&#8221; and adds &#8220;I would bet on the Ozzie dollar too&#8230; Oh I have not even looked at where it is&#8230;. going by the problems of the Eurozone, USA, Japan, sterling alone&#8230; &#8220;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  recalls, in memory of St Patrick&#8217;s Day, hitchhiking through the Republic of Ireland in March-April 1975, all the way from Dublin to Killarney and back, hearing about places where the IRA trained its fighters, spending a night in a barn, and drinking a lot of Guinness on every day except Sunday when, for one hour, everyone went to Church..</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  said to his father earlier this evening that he feels he has said and done what he can for India&#8217;s economy (and will wait for New Delhi to catch up if it wishes or is able to). &#8230;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy thinks both the PRC and the West are wrong about the yuan problem in its fundamentals. What the PRC needs to work towards is making its currency a *hard currency* of the world economy: that means getting its government accounting, public<br />
finances and monetary economics right &#8212; which is something *much* harder to do and *vastly* more important than any specific fixed exchange rate of the yuan at a given time with the USD. Learn from what Milton Friedman said in the PRC in the Fall of 1988, see his memoirs with Rose D Friedman titled *Two Lucky People*, Chicago 1998 &#8212; a book in which a young man with my name is mentioned too <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8230;.</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr Kaushik Basu, Chief Economic Adviser, Ministry of Finance Hello Kaushik, Long time no see.  Happy Holi 2010. I was glad to see the phrase “the relatively neglected subject of the micro-foundations of macroeconomic policy” mentioned in Chapter 2 of your document for the GoI a few days ago. But I am unable to see [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5366&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">Dr Kaushik Basu, Chief Economic Adviser, Ministry of Finance</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Hello Kaushik,</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Long time no see.  Happy Holi 2010.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I was glad to see the phrase <a href="http://indiabudget.nic.in/es2009-10/chapt2010/chapter02.pdf"><strong><em>“the relatively neglected subject of the micro-foundations of macroeconomic policy”</em> </strong>mentioned in Chapter 2 of your document for the GoI a few days ago.</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">But I am unable to see what you could mean by it  because your chapter  seems devoid of any reference  or   allusion to the vast  discussion over decades of the  subject known as the <strong><em>&#8220;microeconomic foundations of macroeconomics”</em>.</strong> Namely, the attempt to integrate the theory of value (microeconomics) with the theory of money (macroeconomics); or alternatively, the attempt to comprehend aggregate variables like Consumption, Savings, Investment, the Demand for &amp; Supply of Money etc in conceptual terms rooted in theories of constrained optimization by masses of individual people.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">It is not an easy task.  Keynes made no explicit attempt at it (recall Joan Robinson’s famous quip) and probably did not have time or patience to try.  Hicks and Patinkin failed, though after valiant efforts.  The modern period on this work began with Clower and Leijonhufvud, followed by the French (like Grandmont), and especially Frank Hahn.   Hahn’s 1976 IMSSS paper “Keynesian Economics and General Equilibrium Theory” is the survey to read, viz., <strong>Equilibrium and Macroeconomics</strong> and <strong>Money, Stability and Growth</strong> as well as of course Arrow &amp; Hahn’s <strong>General Competitive Analysis</strong>.  You may agree that the general theory of value culminated in an important sense in the Arrow-Debreu model of the 1950s &#8211; yet that is something in which no money, and hence no macroeconomics, needs to or can really appear.  The hard part is to develop macroeconomic models for policy-discussion which allow for money and public finance while still making some pretence of being rooted in a theory of constrained optimization by individuals, i.e., in microeconomic behaviour.  (E  Roy Weintraub wrote a textbook with &#8220;Microfoundations&#8221;<strong> </strong>in its title.)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In the Indian case, I tried to do a little in my Cambridge PhD thesis thirty years ago: <a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/rajiv-gandhi-and-the-origins-of-india%E2%80%99s-1991-economic-reform/">&#8220;a full frontal assault from the point of view of microeconomic theory on the ‘development planning’ to which everyone routinely declared their fidelity, from New Delhi’s bureaucrats and Oxford’s ‘development’ school to McNamara’s World Bank with its Indian staffers”</a>.    Frank Hahn was very kind to say he thought my <a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/pricing-planning-politics-a-study-of-economic-distortions-in-india-1984/silver-jubilee-of-%E2%80%9Cpricing-planning-politics-a-study-of-economic%20">“critique of Development Economics was powerful not only on methodological but also on economic theory grounds”</a>.  Some of the results appeared in my December 1982 talk to the AEA’s NYC meetings “Economic Theory &amp; Development Economics” (<em>World Development </em>1983), and in my 1984 monograph with London’s IEA.  Dr Manmohan Singh received a copy of the latter work in 1986, as well as, in 1993, a published copy of a work presented to Rajiv Gandhi in 1990, <em>Foundations of India’s Political  Economy: Towards an Agenda for the 1990s</em>.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I am glad to see from your Chapter 2 that the GoI now seems to agree <a href="http://independentindian.com/thoughts-words-deeds-my-work-1973-2010/introduction-and-some-biography/pricing-planning-politics-a-study-of-economic-distortions-in-india-1984/">with what I had said in 1984 of the need for systems that “locally include direct subsidies to those (whether in rural or urban areas) who are unable to provide any income for themselves…” Your material on the “enabling State” would also find much support in what I said there about the functions of civil government and the need for better, not necessarily more, government.</a> On the other hand, your reliance on the very expensive (Rs.19 billion this year!)  <a href="http://independentindian.com/2009/09/14/nandan-nilekanis-nonsensical-numbering/">Nandan Nilekani Numbering idea</a> is odd as there seem to me to be insurmountable “incentive-compatibility” problems with that project no matter how much gets spent on it.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Returning to possible &#8220;microfoundations of macroeconomics&#8221; relevant to the Indian case, you may find of interest</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2007/01/20/indias-macroeconomics/">“India’s Macroeconomics” (2007)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2007/02/04/fiscal-instability/">“Fiscal Instability” (2007</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2007/03/05/fallacious-finance-the-congress-bjp-cpi-m-et-al-may-be-leading-india-to-hyperinflation/">“Fallacious Finance” (2007)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/09/28/monetary-integrity-and-the-rupee/">“Monetary Integrity and the Rupee” (2008)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/07/17/growth-government-delusion/"></a><a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/02/22/growth-government-delusion/">&#8220;Growth and Government Delusion&#8221; (2008)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/07/16/india-in-world-trade-payments/"></a><a href="http://independentindian.com/2007/02/12/india-in-world-trade-payments/">&#8220;India in World Trade &amp; Payments&#8221; (2007)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2007/02/20/our-policy-process-self-styled-planners-have-controlled-indias-paper-money-for-decades/">“Our Policy Process” (2007)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2006/08/06/indian-money-and-credit/">“Indian Money and Credit” (2006)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2006/04/23/indian-money-and-banking/">“Indian Money and Banking” (2006)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/07/09/indian-inflation-upside-down-economics-from-new-delhis-establishment/">“Indian Inflation” (2008)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/07/28/growth-of-real-income-money-prices-in-india-1869-2004/">“Growth of Real Income, Money &amp; Prices in India 1869-2004” (2005)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2008/02/26/how-to-budget-thrift-not-theft-should-guide-our-public-finances/">“How to Budget” (2008)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2006/01/08/the-dream-team-a-critique/">“The Dream Team: A Critique” (2006)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2007/09/24/against-quackery/">&#8220;Against Quackery&#8221; (2007)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://independentindian.com/2009/06/12/mistaken-macroeconomics-an-open-letter-to-prime-minister-dr-manmohan-singh/"> “Mistaken Macroeconomics” (2009)</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">These together outline an idea that the link between macroeconomic  policy in India and  individual microeconomic budgets of our one billion  citizens arises via the “Government Budget Constraint”.  More  specifically, the continual deficit-finance indulged in by the GoI for  decades has been paid for by invisible taxation of nominal assets, causing the general money-price of real goods  and services to rise.  I.e., the GoI’s wild deficit spending over the decades  has been paid for by debauching money through inflation.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(The  unrecorded untaxed “black  economy” needs a separate chapter altogether, and it seems to me  possible it provides enough real income and transactions to be absorbing  some of the wilder money supply growth into its hoards.)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">India  cannot be a major economy of the world until and unless the Rupee  some  day becomes a hard currency &#8212; for the first time in many decades,  indeed perhaps for the first time since the start of fiat money.   It is  going to take much more than the GoI inventing a trading symbol for the  Rupee!   The appalling state of our government accounting, public  finance and monetary policy, caused by the GoI over decades, disallows  this from happening any time soon as domestic bank assets (mostly GoI  debt, and mostly held by government banks) would inevitably be  re-evaluated at world prices foreshadowing a monetary crisis.   Perhaps  you will help slow the rot &#8212; I trust you will not add to it.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Cordially  yours</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Suby Roy</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Postscript  March 1 2010:   I recalled it as Joan Robinson&#8217;s quip, had forgotten it was in fact her quoting Gerald Shove&#8217;s quip: &#8220;Keynes was not interested in the theory of relative prices. Gerald Shove used to say that Maynard had never spent the twenty minutes necessary to understand the theory of value.&#8221; (1963)</em></p>
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		<title>Climate Change Alarmism: The real battle is against corruption, pollution, deforestation, energy waste etc</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last year I wrote but happened not to publish this brief article which may be relevant today. Climate Change Alarmism: The real battle is against corruption, pollution, deforestation, energy waste etc Subroto Roy May 28 2008 Like the AIDS epidemic that never was, “climate change” is on its way to becoming the new myth sold [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5204&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">Last year I wrote but happened not to publish this brief article which may be relevant today.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Climate Change Alarmism: The real battle is against corruption, pollution, deforestation, energy waste etc</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Subroto Roy<br />
May 28 2008</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Like the AIDS epidemic that never was, “climate change” is on its way to becoming the new myth sold by paternalist governments and their bureaucrat/scientist busybodies to ordinary people coping with their normal lives. E.g., someone says, without any trace of irony: “Everyone in the world should have the same emissions quota. Since Trotsky’s permanent revolution is unfortunately on hold at the moment, and the world still happens to be partitioned into nations, once the per capita quotas are determined they would have to be grouped on a nationwide basis”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Trotskyism will have to be made of sterner stuff. Canada’s Lorne Gunter (*National Post* 20 May 2008) reports that Noel Keenlyside, the principal scientist who suggested that man-made global warming exists, has now led a team from the Leibniz Institute of Marine Science and Max Planck Institute of Meteorology which “for the first time entered verifiable data on ocean circulation cycles into one of the UN&#8217;s climate supercomputers, and the machine spit out a projection that there will be no more warming for the foreseeable future.…” Oops! So much for impending catastrophe. Rajendra Pachauri himself has in January “reluctantly admitted to Reuters… that there has been no warming so far in the 21st Century”.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Mr Pachauri had earlier gone on Indian television comparing himself to CV Raman and Mother Theresa as an Indian Nobel Prize winner &#8212; in fact, Al Gore and the 2500 member “UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change” chaired by Mr Pachauri shared the Nobel Peace Prize last year. Now the prediction from that UN “Panel” of “a 0.3 deg C rise in temperature in the coming decade” has been contradicted by Noel Keenlyside’s own scientific results. Gunter reports further that 2007 “saw a drop in the global average temperature of nearly 0.7 deg C (the largest single-year movement up or down since global temperature averages have been calculated). Despite advanced predictions that 2007 would be the warmest year on record, made by such UN associates as Britain&#8217;s Hadley Centre, a government climate research agency, 2007 was the coolest year since at least 1993. According to the U. S. National Climatic Data Centre, the average temperature of the global land surface in January 2008 was below the 20th-Century mean for the first time since 1982. Also in January, Southern Hemisphere sea ice coverage was at its greatest summer level (January is summer in the Southern Hemisphere) in the past 30 years. Neither the 3,000 temperature buoys that float throughout the world&#8217;s oceans nor the eight NASA satellites that float above our atmosphere have recorded appreciable warming in the past six to eight years. Climate alarmists the world over were quick to add that they had known all along there would be periods when the Earth&#8217;s climate would cool even as the overall trend was toward dangerous climate change.”</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Honest government doctors know that the myth that HIV/AIDS can spread at Western rates in a society as conservative and sexless as India’s has diverted vast public resources away from India’s numerous real killer diseases: filariasis, dysentery, leprosy, influenza, malaria, gastroenteritis, TB, whooping cough, enteric fever, infectious hepatitis, gonococcal infection, syphilis, measles, tetanus, chicken-pox, cholera, rabies, diptheria, meningococcal infection, poliomelitis, dengue and haemmorrhagic fever and encephalitis. Candid environmentalists similarly know that obsessing about climate change distracts from what is significant and within our power to do, namely, the prevention or at least regulation of the pollution of our air and water and prevention of the waste of energy using policies appropriate for a myriad of local communities and neighbourhoods.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The pollution of India’s atmosphere, rivers, lakes, roads and public property is an unending disgrace. Pollution and corruption are mirror images of each other: corruption is to steal something valuable that belongs to the public; pollution is to dispose private waste into the public domain. Both occur conspicuously where property rights between public and private domains are vague or fuzzy, where pricing of public and private goods and services is distorted, and where judicial and legal processes enforcing contracts are for whatever reason weak or inoperable.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Walk into any government office in India and lights, fans, ACs may be found working at top speed whether or not any living being can be seen. A few rare individual bureaucrats may be concerned but India’s Government as a whole cares not a hoot if public electricity or for that matter any public funds and resources are being wasted, stolen or abused.<br />
At the same time, private motorists face little disincentive from pouring untaxed “black money” into imported gas-guzzling heavy automobiles regardless of India’s narrow roads and congestion. There are no incentives whatsoever for anyone who does not have to do so to want to bicycle or walk to work. The “nuclear deal” involves importing “six to eight lightwater reactors” on a turnkey basis; like the Enron-Dabhol deal a decade ago, it makes no financial sense at all and will make even less if the rupee depreciates anytime in future. Our government policy is in general invented and carried out regardless of technical or financial feasibility; the waste of energy and pollution of the environment are merely examples of the waste of resources and abuse of public property in general.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Someone says “The North”, mainly the USA, “is primarily responsible for climate change”. He may mean Western countries have contributed relatively more pollutants and effluents into the world’s waters and air which is probably a good guess since the West has also contributed more to the world’s scientific, industrial and agricultural progress in general over the centuries.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">But to think human beings today understand the complexities of climate and its changes adequately enough to be able to control it is a fatal conceit. Philip Stott, emeritus professor of biogeography at the University of London, is among many scientists who have challenged “the key contradiction at the heart of the Kyoto Protocol, the global climate agreement &#8211; that climate is one of the most complex systems known, yet that we can manage it by trying to control a small set of factors, namely greenhouse gas emissions. Scientifically, this is not mere uncertainty: it is a lie…The problem with a chaotic coupled non-linear system as complex as climate is that you can no more predict successfully the outcome of doing something as of not doing something. Kyoto will not halt climate change. Full stop.&#8221; (BBC 25 February 2002). For Indian foreign or economic policy to waffle on about climate change is as ineffectual and irrelevant as for the Indian Finance Minister to waffle on about AIDS.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook: Subroto Roy thinks the core of the *Bhagavad Gita* is captured in Grigori Perelman&#8217;s statement declining the Fields Medal after proving Poincaré&#8217;s conjecture: &#8220;[The prize] was completely irrelevant for me. Everybody understood that if the proof is correct then no other recognition is needed.&#8221;<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5166&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy thinks the core of the *Bhagavad Gita* is captured in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman">Grigori Perelman&#8217;s statement</a> declining the Fields Medal after proving Poincaré&#8217;s conjecture: &#8220;[The prize] was completely irrelevant for me. Everybody understood that if the proof is correct then no other recognition is needed.&#8221;</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook: Subroto Roy  can only sigh at the fact that while he has had to struggle for 35 years trying to grasp and then apply serious monetary economics to India&#8217;s circumstances, the RBI Governor &#38; his four Deputy Governors appear blissfully innocent of all Hicks, Tobin, Friedman, Cagan et al yet exude confidence enough [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5155&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Subroto Roy  can only sigh at the fact that while he has had to struggle for 35 years trying to grasp and then apply serious monetary economics to India&#8217;s circumstances, the RBI Governor &amp; his four Deputy Governors appear blissfully innocent of all Hicks, Tobin, Friedman, Cagan et al yet exude confidence enough to &#8220;Waffle Away!&#8221;</em></p>
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		<title>President Obama&#8217;s acceptance speech</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Facebook: Subroto Roy found this an extraordinarily thoughtful and profound speech, which, apart from its reference to &#8220;climate change&#8221;, is likely to go down as historic &#8212; not least for its restoration of &#8220;just war&#8221; theory &#38; the canons of international law in general. (His critics who questioned his religion might note the very Christian [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=independentindian.com&amp;blog=859842&amp;post=5149&amp;subd=drsubrotoroy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/barack-obama-nobel-peace-prize-speech-text.html">Subroto Roy found this an extraordinarily thoughtful and profound speech</a>, which, apart from its reference to &#8220;climate change&#8221;, is likely to go down as historic &#8212; not least for its restoration of &#8220;just war&#8221; theory &amp; the canons of international law in general. (His critics who questioned his religion might note the very Christian &#8230;thesis: &#8220;at the heart of every major religion is that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Adhering to this law of love has always been the core struggle of human nature.  We are fallible. We make mistakes, and fall victim to the temptations of pride, and power, and sometimes evil&#8230;&#8221;)&#8230; I hope his Republican critics will give the man a break&#8230;.</em></p>
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